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Frank P
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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Colleen A.]
      #49774 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:51 PM

nature is so beautiful... on radar that is.... and its looking to be moving WSW attm or perhaps just south of due west.... keeps up the present motion and speed and doesn't slow down it gonna get into the GOM sooner than expected.... and that's not good...

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Lysis]
      #49775 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:52 PM

Andrew passed over the Everglades during a relatively dry period; it was also a very small storm, more likely to result to either favorable or negative conditions beneath the storm. Despite that, it only lost 15kt of intensity over Florida, from 130-135kt to 115-120kt. Given the moist conditions of the region right now and the larger size of Katrina as points against that and the weaker initial state of the storm as a point for it, a similar drop-off could be expected. Not saying that it is likely, and that's certainly not what is forecast right now, but anything between 35-55kt coming off-shore is not out of the realm of possibility.

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dolfinatic
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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #49776 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:53 PM

Is it me or has its forward motion sped up. Looks to be moving faster now. Anyone else see this?

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Frank P
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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: hurricane expert]
      #49777 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:54 PM

oh how I remembered the models all over the place last year with Ivan prior to passing over Cuba.... it was like a tennis match... this could be very similar.... might be another 24 hours or so before the models get consistent from run to run, of which some have not.... then again maybe they won't ... who knows....

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #49778 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:55 PM

Yes, isn't that amazing?? Has Katrina come all the way inland? On the Miami radar it looks like she has; on this one, it's hard to tell. I can't tell if that black area is the center or what.


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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Colleen A.]
      #49779 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:57 PM

OK so now I'm reading speed increasing and movement more due W.

Still seeing convection migrating to the S portion of the storm.

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Edited by Margie (Thu Aug 25 2005 08:58 PM)


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katrina on wv [Re: Colleen A.]
      #49780 - Thu Aug 25 2005 08:58 PM

Quote:

I can't tell if that black area is the center or what.





use the wv loop and then click the "radar" box and you'll see exactly where the coc is...

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Clark]
      #49781 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:00 PM

I've been lurking here since last season - just another completely unknowledgable FL resident who uses these discussions to keep on top of potential threats - and, I apologize if this is not the correct forum for posting this, but I am hoping someone can give me the most likely scenario for the Orlando area from Sunday morning through Monday night. I live in Ocala, and I'm scheduled to attend a convention there on Sunday and Monday.

Thank you,
Audrey


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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Colleen A.]
      #49782 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:02 PM

Looks like the eyewall is fully ashore but most of the convection may not even touch land if you go by the satelitte images.

Since I'm not a Pro-Met, I'll put it this way... It looks like it's moving pretty fast across land and will still have plenty of "twist an shout" left when it gets back over hot water.

That's about as plain language as it gets, Skeet.~danielw

Edited by danielw (Thu Aug 25 2005 09:04 PM)


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Frank P
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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Colleen A.]
      #49783 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:03 PM

It's already 23 miles inland and on its present track has only 48 miles to traverse to get to the GOM... still looks just south of due west to me....

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: AudreyE]
      #49784 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:04 PM

Audrey, depending upon how far off-shore Katrina goes, occasional thunderstorms & rain showers in bands trailing to the east of the storm could be possible in the Orlando area through Sunday night and early Monday morning. There's still some uncertainty in that forecast, however.

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #49785 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:06 PM

on its present speed I estimate that she could enter the GOM anytime between 1 and 2 am this morning...

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Frank P]
      #49786 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:06 PM

The 9:00 is out and they say it is still moving at 6. Still moving a little south of west. Sure looked like it was moving faster. Shows what i know lol

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Re: katrina on wv [Re: LI Phil]
      #49787 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:07 PM

Thanks, Phil! Am I nuts (don't answer that) or has it moved SW?
Oh..wait....CNN just said the COC HAS been moving to the SW. hmmmmmmm. I wonder what THAT will do to the forecast track.

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Clark]
      #49788 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:07 PM

worst case scenario could this pull a sharp turn right ne? and do a Charley?

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Discussion [Re: Frank P]
      #49789 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:08 PM

I knew that Stacy Stewart wrote the latest discussion without looking at the signature. Very detailed.
Here's a part of the discussion...relevant to the movement Frank is tracking.

...THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 265/5. 12Z AND 18Z UPPER-AIR DATA
INDICATE THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF Katrina HAS CHANGED
LITTLE WHILE AN INVERTED MID- TO UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH HAS DEVELOPED
NORTHWARD FROM THE CARIBBEAN SEA TO Katrina. THE TROUGH IS EXPECTED
TO INDUCE A SLIGHT SOUTH OF DUE WEST MOTION FOR THE NEXT 12 HOURS
OR SO.


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Re: Hurricane Katrina Landfalls near the Dade/Broward County Line [Re: Clark]
      #49790 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:09 PM

Quote:

Audrey, depending upon how far off-shore Katrina goes, occasional thunderstorms & rain showers in bands trailing to the east of the storm could be possible in the Orlando area through Sunday night and early Monday morning. There's still some uncertainty in that forecast, however.




Thank you, very much, Clark. At this point, is it most likely that it will be safe to make the trip, or should I be thinking carefully about cancelling?

Audrey


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Frank P
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Re: katrina on wv [Re: Colleen A.]
      #49791 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:10 PM

I can't discern a true SW motion Colleen, more like WSW maybe, or perhaps just south of due west...

use the radar loop and zoom in.... you be the judge and can you really trust CNN... hehe

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/amx_NCR_lp.shtml


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Re: Discussion [Re: danielw]
      #49792 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:11 PM

Looks to be following the first plot of the UKMET:



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Re: katrina on wv [Re: Frank P]
      #49793 - Thu Aug 25 2005 09:12 PM

I would say it is moving about 230 degrees right now. The GFDL does not look so dumb now, does it?

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