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winterwx
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Re: A dark day in meteorology... [Re: Random Chaos]
      #65354 - Fri May 26 2006 03:53 AM

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There is a big difference from being able to see the vorticity and pressure gradients in an animation mode (aka PSU and FSU met departments) and being able to just see the centerline of the model output. It isn't as if we can't see the GFS and NAM elsewhere (such as NECP's model graphics), but the localization of FSU's site is far better than the much larger (and poorer java-coded applet) that NECP uses.

Looking for good news on this. Very unfortunate about FSU vanishing so fast.

Question: Since many of the TC graphics on FSU were downloaded from a NOAA server, and since the appliaction that animates them is semi-open (PSU and FSU use the same one), wouldn't it be possible for the aflicted parties to put it up on a personal, non-FSU, related website for the NOAA data parts? Clearly MM5 and perhaps TCGenisis would vanish, but better some than none.





You bring up great points, however I think if any professor places the same information on personal sites, it would still be in violation of the recent orders from FSU admin due to the fact that they are still using FSU resources to produce the forecasts. Hopefully this will all be resolved tomorrow and it will be an afterthought.


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Re: A dark day in meteorology... [Re: winterwx]
      #65359 - Fri May 26 2006 04:09 PM

The FSU site is back up. Just checked it out.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Clark]
      #65360 - Fri May 26 2006 04:10 PM

Well, well, well - the sites are back up.

Will they stay up? Who knows - just hope they are available when we need them.


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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Clark]
      #65367 - Fri May 26 2006 07:46 PM

I think the bottom line is they are worried, as is nearly everyone now and days, about getting a) their hind ends sued, or b) getting their hind ends chewed out by some reporter. So some wussie administrator got a wild hair when they finally realized they were offering something like that and said heeeeyyyyyy! We can't do that -- might get sued/reported on!

Liability. CYA. Bad press. Etc.

And all that. Yes, I'm that cynical. Or maybe I need to borrow that tin foil hat I saw floating around in someone else's post. *LOL*

Remember the outcry about the LBL in the models? Heck, even the NBC affiliate here down in Lee/Collier county that we watch the most has stopped using the LBL, instead opting for a "wind swath" graphic.

Fudge that. I want the LBL. I KNOW it's not "reliable." But I like having it there. It saves me the aggravation of drawing my own in.

If they're going to worry that much abouit liability, they might as well quit using all the break points. Start saying, "Okay, if you're from Key West to Sarasota, batten down."

It's all about liability.

Actually, I don't remember seeing much about the FSU model last year? I remember it from years past, but even my dh had commented on it sometime last year. The sites we were normally visiting didn't seem to show it like they used to. I'm not saying it wasn't out there. I'm just saying the few sites I usually rely on, I remembered seeing it a few years ago, and don't remember seeing it last year. Unless they started abbreviating it differently and I missed it.

Which is quite possible. *LOL*

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: madmumbler]
      #65370 - Fri May 26 2006 10:08 PM

I notice they put a big disclaimer on the top of every page.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Random Chaos]
      #65371 - Fri May 26 2006 10:40 PM

I think that the major problem with the reliable sites is that they get too many hits when something is brewing. That costs the maintanence for the websites to get expensive. I am guilty of checking some of them every 10 minutes when I am anxious just hoping for a little more news than the TV or radio is giving out. The thrill of watching it in action is also there(she says guiltily head hung down) its the tornado chase without the car. I just wish there was a way to have the excitement without the true danger to others.

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Re: dark day? [Re: Margie]
      #65372 - Sat May 27 2006 01:15 AM

That is quite a slippery slope there.
I just wanted some hurricane information.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Random Chaos]
      #65376 - Sat May 27 2006 01:25 PM

I notice they put a big disclaimer on the top of every page.
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And that would speak more to liability.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #65377 - Sat May 27 2006 01:27 PM

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I think that the major problem with the reliable sites is that they get too many hits when something is brewing. That costs the maintanence for the websites to get expensive. I am guilty of checking some of them every 10 minutes when I am anxious just hoping for a little more news than the TV or radio is giving out. The thrill of watching it in action is also there(she says guiltily head hung down) its the tornado chase without the car. I just wish there was a way to have the excitement without the true danger to others.




We could make a fortune charging $5 a head for a HA group -- Hurricaneholics Anonymous!

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #65378 - Sat May 27 2006 01:35 PM

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I think that the major problem with the reliable sites is that they get too many hits when something is brewing. That costs the maintanence for the websites to get expensive.




Another thing I meant to add is that the problem is you have "scientists" who don't know how to make a page pay for itself. They should set up Googleads on the pages and I'd be willing to bet with that massive amount of people coming through, it might not pay for itself, but it certainly would help offset a goodly chunk of expenses. They could solicit paid sponsors or partnerships with commercial sites to help offset even more.

There's a lot they CAN do to make it pay for itself.

The problem there is that may rankle them because of the principle of it.

I started using Google ads -- not obnoxiously, but around the lower edges and bottom of my pages -- and I was shocked that the first month I made more than enough on the ad revenue to pay for my monthly host fees. In my case (embroidery designs and tutorials) all I have to do is offer a new freebie every week or so and people flock to the site. In a case like hurricane season, they would get MORE than enough people coming to the site to offset the view/click ratio. They can link with popular sites to get even more traffic.

In this day and age, "paying" for a site is no longer an excuse if they take the time to look into the options. And that's only one option of many.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: madmumbler]
      #65389 - Sat May 27 2006 07:37 PM

Most web traffic on academic websites is paid for out of the university's academic budget and/or through research grants. Further, most universities will frown upon or discourage advertisement on their websites -- it takes away from what they are trying to advertise, and that's the university itself. It's not funding that is the problem.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Clark]
      #65604 - Sun Jun 04 2006 06:10 PM

Bad news. The Lakeland FL Ledger broke the story on the superensemble, and they didn't do a very thorough job. Then Bob King grabbed it and that didn't help.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Margie]
      #65606 - Sun Jun 04 2006 08:08 PM


Clark is this article accurate? a Yes or No answer is ok. If you can elaborate that would be good too.


http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060604/NEWS/606030425/1039

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #65608 - Sun Jun 04 2006 08:27 PM

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Clark is this article accurate? a Yes or No answer is ok. If you can elaborate that would be good too.


http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060604/NEWS/606030425/1039




Wow, if that is true then there is no hope. Since when do people's lives have to be affected by who is the highest bidder? This is a sad, sad development if it is true. Clark, do you know the answer on this matter?

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #65609 - Sun Jun 04 2006 09:53 PM

It's an okay first start, but misses the point of the matter, perhaps because of the legal issues right now. Some of the quotes in the article are farcical, but I'll leave it to you all to determine which ones. Probably not hard

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Clark]
      #65704 - Thu Jun 08 2006 11:22 AM

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Most web traffic on academic websites is paid for out of the university's academic budget and/or through research grants. Further, most universities will frown upon or discourage advertisement on their websites -- it takes away from what they are trying to advertise, and that's the university itself. It's not funding that is the problem.




Of course it's not a problem, now that they're selling out to the highest bidder (Weather Predict).

What a load of garbage. I don't see how if this technology is created in part by Federal grants - -MY tax dollars -- and it's a public college, how they can cut off the public from it. It's not like Weather Predict paid to help develop it in the first place. They let the taxpayers help foot the bill and then came in and FSU rolled over like a ...well, let's say like a well-paid escort.

I hope the FSU alumni gets riled up about it and starts withholding funding.

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Clark]
      #65767 - Fri Jun 09 2006 11:46 AM


Newest article on this issue. Interesting!

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060609/NEWS/606090376/1039

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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #67011 - Fri Jun 16 2006 03:28 PM

Agreement between NWS and Weather Predict???

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060615/20060615005794.html?.v=1

Comments?

Clark - what do you think?


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Re: FSU product discussion [Re: Hootowl]
      #67012 - Fri Jun 16 2006 03:45 PM

Just for the 2006 season...beyond that it's still fairly murky.

The Lakeland Ledger followed up its initial article with a series of articles, culminating in a Sunday editorial, that were all poorly-researched, inaccurate, and painted a very different picture than the reality of the situation. So I wouldn't go by their assessment, which is slanted towards a kind of sensational expose that doesn't hold up against the facts.

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