James88
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Hurricane Allen, 1980 - Allen's forward motion was unusually fast for most of its life. The hurricane moved along at near 20kts (around 23mph) until about 2 days prior to landfall in Texas. While moving at this speed it was able to reach CAT 5 status twice. Not quite 25mph but pretty close.
Hurricane Allen
There was Hurricane Carmen in 1974. While I was unable to find its actual forward speed, the track map shows that it was moving quite fast while in the east and central Caribbean.
Hurricane Carmen
A famous example (one that I owe Phil for bringing to my attention a few weeks ago), was the 'Long Island Express' in 1938. While it did not form at a high speed, it was able to maintain CAT 3 status while travelling at speeds of over 60mph.
LI Express
Not sure if these were what you were looking for Bobbi, but they did move pretty fast. 
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Hurricane Allen, a Cat V monster in 1980, trucked along at >20mph for most of its lifetime...yet that never seemed to inhibit the storm from reaching 170mph three different times along its track.
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JustMe
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Hi All
finally good things to track
figures planning a mini vacation to the Florida Keys this weekend. What are the thoughts should we go or not.. going to do some snorkeling ... wondering what Charlie and Bonnie will do to the water .... wondering if we should wait now.
Your thoughts would be appreciated... Will churn the water enough where it won't be clear to snorkle?
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LoisCane
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Thank you. I think when I keep seeing Gilbert's size I am seeing Allen's speed, thanks. I was busy and living in California during those 80s storms and not tracking as carefully.
As for Rabbit and my earlier post:
For Rabbit again...
Bonnie died out around Central Florida Hurricane Center 2004 - 60-62 W when she picked speed to 25mph..
Charley is currently at Central Florida Hurricane Center 2004 - 66.3 going 24 mph and his center seems to be swirling well and well defined. He does have big color out ahead of him but don't think thats anything other than a strong band that will wrap back in..
similar track and speed but very different storms
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may I add... I wish we had cords and advisories for that gap in Bonnie's track to see how the two really compare but there is that drop off in statistics til she was reformed
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Frank P
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Shows some pretty intense convection just off to the NE of the center.... white hot.... but still oh so small.... continues on that slow NW track per the IR loop... with the approaching cold front, and it looks to be quite significant for August (what the heck are we getting cold fronts in Aug anyway....) if it slows down to much, I think the track could actually shift more to the right... its all about timing with these approaching fronts.... if it increases speed, track goes more left.. right now models are consistent on Fl panhandle... PC or just to the right of PC looks about as good as any place right now... as I said, with this one its all about its forward speed and timing with the front...
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Shows pressure down to 1003 in Bonnie, dunno how old that is.
Seems to be fortifying
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If the storm got stronger than forcasted would the track shift back to the left or the right ?
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jth
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Intensity shouldn't mater m uch for bonnie. Theonly issue for her is how far west she gets before the trough gets her. The longer she stays on the WNW to NW track, the further left the track. She will eventually go NE no matter what.
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Frank P
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right now I would think the overall strength of the storm will not be as important as its forward speed, and that of the appoaching front's speed...... in determining its track.... and whether it goes more to the left or right.... slows down to much and you're looking at a cental fl event... not saying that's going to happen, and the models have been rather consistent in cluster towards the PC general area... but ya never know do ya....
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LoisCane
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bonnie is looking stronger...how does that affect track if models didnt have her reaching hurricane status til thursday?
charley is going more west than wnw... have looked for a long long time.. on multiple sats... i see west with drop north of west but because of his fast foward speed differences in direction can make a huge difference down the line
both looking good
love watching jon on on the morning shift, he is good good and gooder... see how lyons does when he comes on
will see what he thinks of Gidget soon
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jth
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The link to recon data above is not working. Does anyone have another link?
Also, when will recon be in ?????
I am still going with a track a little more west with Bonnie. She just keeps chugging along westward.
Something has not been mentioned is a comparison of to Gilbert. The track is forecast to be very similar in the Caribbean. If he strengthens (significantly), could je stay on a westward track ala Gilbert??? Food for thought.
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Bonnie seems to have expanded a little this morning and seems to be trying to organize some more. Today will be very interesting!
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What is Joe's take on the current two storms?
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andy1tom
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how long before watches and warnings are issued?? earlier on a scroll said t/s conditions may be here by wed nite..guess its time to think about taking the boat outta the water
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The influence of the trof is approaching hard off Texas now, so the westward component of Bonnie should begin to diminish and cease soon. I am oersonally shocked at actually how far that trough has penetrated to the Gulf coast already.
At first i thought it would slip under and more west, but then I saw that wall rapidly approaching off Texas. It has to go east.
My guess now is that Bonnie will be right of the projected path as the influence of the trough is already appearing over the coastal areas of the central gulf coast with sharp SW upper flow. Don't be surpirsed if the actual land fall is more toward the Florida Big Bend, even down to Cedar Key.
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LoisCane
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Can someone please tell me based on any loops or images of any kind why someone who I repsect a lot thinks its a possibility that Bonnie will or could bomb today .. well not bomb but intensify and then just as fast fall apart? Looking at wv for US and trends and I think there is something with Bonnie we are missing here... for one..her rapid intensification was not seen on models and some didnt even pick her up yesterday... and will she grab that express to the east or??
seriously, can anyone see a scenario where she will once again fall apart or fall below expected expectations and WHY
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doug
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Lois:
Very small storm; not a lot of convection to work with; rapidly approaching trough and upper wind shear that could reduce convection, or cause the LLC to shift east away from the convection ahead of the trough. We have seen this in several gulf systems in the past, most notably for me was the system that actually made land fall in Sarasota County in Sept 2002(Josephine?) which had characteristics like I described...That system was border lin cat I and rapidly ducked ene ahead of a front..had very little weather on the west side but very strong winds on that side due to the transfer of upper level winds down into the system as it interacted with the trough. this could happen to this one too.
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GuppieGrouper
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I am no expert but I think the elongation of the storms connected with bonnie on satellite is the beginning of that turn to the right. I am convinced that if she turns back towards the east that elongation will become wrapped tighter and she will be formidable for the Gulf for a while. This is not to say that she will go inland as a strong or major storm. The day is young, but I think by tonight she will either fold or increase so that she will be the news maker for the next few days. on the other hand will be making hearts pick up the pace soon afterward in the wake of Bonnie's mess. I might add, should either one of them threaten Central Florida as a slow moving tropical depression, we will have disaster conditions on our hands due to all the above average rains we have had this month and in July.
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LoisCane
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yeah i see the elongation too towards the NE but not sure which thing i belive, being twisted about not good for small circulation or turn to the ne..
also something about the wv images across SE US bugging me today
watching , that storm is driving me crazy
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GuppieGrouper
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The Floater loops seem to have a good update rate and I am seeing the center of bonnie being exposed and the bull of her convection being blown towards the south. Sort of reminds me of a Semi truck being turned around in a big parking lot. I always wonder if the wheels are going to follow in the direction of the cab. In Bonnie's Case I wonder if the convection will follow the center or if it will be like the merrygo round effect and she will have to start over.
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