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TD7 Forecast Track [Re: James88]
      #21031 - Fri Aug 27 2004 08:50 PM

No, I don't think Alex was forecasted to go inland...

TD7 Track

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Re: TD7 Forecast Track [Re: LI Phil]
      #21032 - Fri Aug 27 2004 08:57 PM

Having just checked the archives, the first advisory on Alex had it going ashore in NC, and then emerging back into the Atlantic:-

Alex Advisory #1

But you're right, the track didn't take the storm as far inland as this one.


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Monster Hurricane [Re: James88]
      #21033 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:08 PM

Just saw latest advisory. This storm is going to be a category 5 before we realize it. It is almost perfectly organized and appears to be rapidly intensifying. How do you think its slow forward movement will affect its track? I would think if it was a faster mover like Andrew it would impact South Florida but because its so slow it will eventually be picked up by a trough and thrown out to sea

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: Chrisras]
      #21034 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:11 PM

Great Stacey Stewart comment (and why he's the best they have):

Frances is forecast to remain in a low shear environment and over
increasing SSTs throughout the period. The SHIPS intensity model
now makes Frances a 113 kt major hurricane in 48 hours...since the
'self-induced' vertical shear has decreased owing to the GFS
forecast positons being closer to the official track forecast.
There will likely be several fluctuations in the intensity over the
next 5 days...but category four intensity seems likely some time
during that period...and category 5 strength is even possible

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: Chrisras]
      #21035 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:12 PM

I dont think so. Im leaning towards east coast north central florida or south georgia coast. Youre right though, its a big one!

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: 52255225]
      #21036 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:17 PM

Hey guys,
just a quick post - looks like, that while everyone seems a little occupied with Frances, the TD just off the SE US Coast could cause some real problems! Its a reasonably well developed system, but its a slow mover, going nowhere fast! This gives it plenty of oppurtunity to drop some pretty immense rainfall on parts of GA, SC, and possibly NC. Certainly something worth watching in the immediate future i think!

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: Chrisras]
      #21037 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:22 PM

>>> I would think if it was a faster mover like Andrew it would impact South Florida but because its so slow it will eventually be picked up by a trough and thrown out to sea

There are many possibilities with Frances, including a possible ramping up to a CAT V (Agree Steve, Stewart is DA MAN). But one thing that is virtually certain is that Frances is not going to spin the fishes. This is going to hit the US mainland, probably as a Major cane, somewhere...if it's to be Florida then it will probably be Friday-Saturday, elsewhere closer to Labor Day.

For the time being, let's keep those landfall guesses in the storm forum, not the main boards. Also let's keep the CAT V commentary down, as we don't want to scare someone with that possibility until and if such time actually occurs. Remember Sandia Flower from last year...

Great posts today guys!

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: Chrisras]
      #21038 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:28 PM

That would depend on the location, intensity, and lifespan of the ridge. I don;t know what that would be, do you?

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: LI Phil]
      #21039 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:29 PM

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>>> Also let's keep the CAT V commentary down, as we don't want to scare someone with that possibility until and if such time actually occurs. Remember Sandia Flower from last year...

Great posts today guys!




Pssssttt I agree with keeping the Cat V rumbling down, but whats his name on channel 13 just told everyone that Frances has excellent possibilities of making Cat V. I think the cat is outta the bag.

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Re: Monster Hurricane [Re: DMFischer]
      #21040 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:45 PM

I wouldn't say the talk of Frances becoming a Category 5 storm is premature. It looks very compact and there seems to be a lot of convection and room for further strengthening. It is still days away from land, so much more time remains for it to gain strength. It may well end up making landfall somewhere between the northeastern Florida panhandle and Ga/South Carolina border. Providing no frontal system interferes, I would guess it will be a Category 4 at least when it makes landfall, maybe Category 5.

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Frances News Hype [Re: DMFischer]
      #21041 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:46 PM

The scary thing is that what the news media is going to do when this hurricane reaches it's peak intensity, I remember Isabel was first perdicted to hit long island and the news was going crazy, buy, buy,buy. Sometimes I think they overdo it, but then again it's better to be prepared then to not be. I hope this one doesn't go where it's perdicted to, this is a perfect canditate for project storm fury, which in my opinion worked.
Truth is that no one actually knows where it will go, not even the NHC they can only make educated guesses, so don't get worried yet Floridians.

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Edited by Jason234 (Fri Aug 27 2004 09:49 PM)


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Re: Frances News Hype [Re: Keith234]
      #21042 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:54 PM

Keith,

Isabel was never "perdicted" to hit Long Island; we did have TS warnings go up near the very end, but I don't even think we saw a TS gust. Regarding the media, however, you are exactly right. People around here old enough to remember Gloria fueled the frenzy and it didn't help that it was the hottest story for about four or five days.

Isabel sure scared the hell out of a lot of people and rightly so.

With regard to the CAT V hoopla, if that's what you're going to discuss, discuss away. To be honest, I have a feeling it will reach that intensity...all the right ingredients are there...excellent outflow boundaries...low shear environment (for now anyway)...strong bermuda high which will also increase outflow and cause strengthening...strong ridge forecasted to be in place...above average SSTs. Let's just see how strong she gets. As I said a couple of days ago...a classic Cape Verde longtracker.

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Re: Frances News Hype [Re: LI Phil]
      #21043 - Fri Aug 27 2004 09:57 PM

key line in the 5pm adv
category 5 strength is even possible


It's not everyday that we here that from the NHC



Just Frances !
http://hardcoreweather.com/showthread.php?t=536


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Re: TD7 Forecast Track [Re: LI Phil]
      #21044 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:00 PM

The Alex track was not forecasted to go that far inland but it could have, as indicated by the white. The intensity forecast is nearly the same when Alex first started, we'll see but this might also become the next major cane, if it skirts the coast. This storm depending on when it starts on it's track it could affect LI but right now the trough would push it out to sea. Lets see what will happen.

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Edited by Jason234 (Fri Aug 27 2004 10:58 PM)


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Hurricane Charley [Re: Keith234]
      #21045 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:21 PM

Where do you guys think Hurricane Charley ranks in terms of strongest Hurricanes to Hit the U.S. I would guess
1. Labor Day 1935
2. Camille
3. Andrew
4. Charley
5. Donna
6. Hugo


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Re: Hurricane Charley [Re: Chrisras]
      #21046 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:31 PM

frances could be near camille, it is becoming a very dangerous hurricane. the bahamas ...... if the ridge is strong it will not go north.

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Frances' future [Re: Keith234]
      #21047 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:31 PM

>>> This storm depending on when it starts on it's track it could affect LI but right now the ridge would push it out to sea

No, actually the ridge would allow it to continue whatever movement it is currently tracking. Hurricanes slip under ridges...a trof, however, would have the opposite effect and serve to pick a hurricane up and take away from the CONUS.

You sound a little bit like you are trying to wish this bad girl our way. Be very careful what you wish for. Just ask anyone who just went through Charley who thought it might be 'fun' to have a cane come their way.

I'd love for this thing to turn away but it's not gonna happen. Someone somewhere is going to be seeing a whole world of hurt. The best thing we can hope for is for deintensification as she reaches the mainland and for an eyewall replacement cycle to be occurring as well...but those only really happen in major canes...so the next best thing is to be prepared...very prepared.

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Re: Hurricane Charley [Re: meto]
      #21048 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:35 PM

also remember gilbert.

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Re: TD7 ....models? [Re: James88]
      #21049 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:36 PM

Are there models up for TD2?

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Re: TD7 ....models? [Re: LoisCane]
      #21050 - Fri Aug 27 2004 10:46 PM

Quote:

Are there models up for TD2?




Yes, it eventually became TS Bonnie and made landfall on the Florida panhandle. Just kidding...

TD 7:

td7 models

Only two so far, but more to come fer sher.

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