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Bill
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Re: Isabel
      #11198 - Sun Sep 07 2003 12:37 PM

Mary-
Many storms have formed east of 60 W(or become hurricanes east of 60 W) and affected land/US...Donna is one that springs to mind immediately. Hugo is another. Gilbert, Allen, Gloria, Elena, Georges, Dora etc.

NOTE: Well, my questioning yesterday of the text/graphic conflict was resolved---in favor of the graphic, not the text!

One picture=one thousand advisory words.

Here in Tally---a typical post tropical cyclone day....cooler, gray, slight breeze....

Noticed probabilities are back with Henri for Fl...wassup with that?

Isabel looks like a danger to the islands, and also downstream....stay tuned.

IHS,

Bill


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Storm Cooper
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Re: Isabel
      #11199 - Sun Sep 07 2003 12:44 PM

That was the feel in PC this am, post tropical, cooler & gray.

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jlauderdal
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Loc: Fort Lauderdale, FLorida
Re: Isabel
      #11200 - Sun Sep 07 2003 12:45 PM

yes but the ridge is looking like it will continue to build in at 60 so therefore my at least 10 degree W prediction...hey i was down in your neck of the woods yesterday out on key biscayne..nice breeze and than it died and then we all started sweating..more of the sme today in fort laud..i was just out by the pool and i am feeling that 79 dewpoint.

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Alex
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97L
      #11201 - Sun Sep 07 2003 01:47 PM

It continues to get better organized, should be a depression by 5 or more conservatively 11 (which is fine because it is thousands of miles away from anything except the Cape Verdes). It's far away enough from its big sister that she shouldn't kill it.

Interesting thought- I wonder if there's ever been watches or warnings for the Cape Verde Islands


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LoisCane
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Re: 97L
      #11202 - Sun Sep 07 2003 02:19 PM

Should stay south of big sis and if big sis does turn after scaring the daylights out of the se coast...would imagine this little brother would be more likely to be a threat...or ...

speculative at best at this point but interesting twist

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Mary K.
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Re: Questions about landfalls
      #11203 - Sun Sep 07 2003 03:16 PM

Thanks for alll of your responses to my questions. I will continue to monitor this storm Isabella. She seems to be interesting.

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Ed DunhamAdministrator
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Re: 97L
      #11204 - Sun Sep 07 2003 03:17 PM

Alex:
Regarding warnings for Cape Verde Islands, probably not, but if you want to see an interesting track, look at Tropical Storm #6 in 1988. It was added after the season. Winds estimated at 50 knots and lowest pressure of 994mb. It became a TS at 18.5W. Hurricane #2 in 1927 became a Tropical Storm at 19.3W and Hurricane Jeanne in 1998 became a Tropical Storm at 19.4W.

Mary:
If you use 40W rather than 60W then the adage has merit. In the past 100 years there have been 22 tropical cyclones in the Atlantic basin south of 20N and at or east of 40W which have reached hurricane strength before passing 40W. Only three of these hurricanes have hit the continental U.S.: Hurricane #4 in 1947, Hurricane Donna in 1960 and Hurricane Georges in 1998. Georges was the only one that hit Puerto Rico.
Cheers,
ED


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joepub1a
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Re: 97L
      #11205 - Sun Sep 07 2003 04:32 PM

One thing worth noting about Isabel this afternoon. The wild NW ride seems to be mellowing a bit, and the models won't let the leewards get out of the way. They are bringing her back into the islands again with some WSW movement, telling me they think that ridge is really going to kick back in further down the road. Let's see what the NHC has to say at 5:00.

Joe in JAX


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Bruce
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Re: 97L
      #11206 - Sun Sep 07 2003 05:02 PM

Heard that the high will build in for about 2 weeks. From about 60W through Florida and into the GOM. Isabel may just go west into Mexico.

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57497479
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ISABEL
      #11207 - Sun Sep 07 2003 05:32 PM

Wow, just read the 5PM discussion from TPC. Looks like Isabel is wasting no time showing her stuff. If the ridge does continue to build as suggested then the Leewards may not be the only Islands that needs to watch this one. Looks like she has a very good chance at becomming a major cane.

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Jamie
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Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11208 - Sun Sep 07 2003 06:53 PM

Does anyone know the name of the Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone and it what year it occured? I know Hurricane Mitch hit 180 in 1998, and Hurricane Gilbert hit 185 in 1988. But was Gilbert the strongest?

Found a nice image of Hurricane Fabian so i decided to post it.


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Bruce
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11209 - Sun Sep 07 2003 07:04 PM

The strongest hurricane ever measured in the Western Hemisphere was Gilbert in 1988. The 888 millibar central pressure recorded in Gilbert on Sept. 14, 1988, is the lowest ever recorded in an Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea or Gulf of Mexico storm.



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Bruce
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11210 - Sun Sep 07 2003 07:06 PM

Hurricane Linda's winds were blowing at an estimated 185 to 190 mph, making it the strongest hurricane ever observed in the eastern Pacific. For a time Linda threatened to hit the California Coast.

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Bruce
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11211 - Sun Sep 07 2003 07:09 PM

The world record for the lowest tropical cyclone pressure is 870 millibars in Typhoon Tip in the northwest Pacific Ocean on Oct. 12, 1979.



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Ed DunhamAdministrator
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11212 - Sun Sep 07 2003 07:23 PM

For the Atlantic Basin, I think that these are the top 5 for sustained wind:
Allen 1980 165kts
Camille 1969 165kts
Dog 1950 160kts
Gilbert 1988 160kts
Mitch 1998 155kts

Cheers,
ED


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Storm Cooper
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11213 - Sun Sep 07 2003 07:36 PM

Off tempo just a second.... I saw some great shots of Fabian this am on NASA TV taken by the Space Station crew

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stormchazer
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11214 - Sun Sep 07 2003 07:47 PM

97L T-numbers:

07/2300 UTC 12.2N 20.6W T2.0/2.0

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Tropicalwatcher
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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11215 - Sun Sep 07 2003 08:03 PM

I thorught the 1935 labar day hurricane had winds stronger then 200 mph or higher?

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Tropics Guy
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Re: ISABEL
      #11216 - Sun Sep 07 2003 08:10 PM

From NWS San Juan area forecast discussion:

LAST NIGHTS RUN OF THE MRF WAS VERY INTERESTING...BRINGING ISABEL
JUST NORTH BUT VERY CLOSE TO THE LOCAL AREA AS IT MOVED VERY SLOWLY
TOWARDS THE SE BAHAMAS. A LOT OF QUESTIONS REMAIN CONCERNING THE
FORECAST OF ISABEL BEFORE WE CAN CONSIDER THIS MRF SOLUTION JUST
YET...BUT IF THE OVERALL FORECAST VERIFIES REASONABLY...THEN A VERY
SLOW MOVING HURRICANE WILL MOVE FROM THE ATLANTIC WATERS ADJACENT
TO THE NORTHEAST CARIBBEAN...AND TAKE SEVERAL DAYS TO MOVE WNW OR NW
AWAY FROM THE LOCAL REGION AND INTO THE SW ATLC...DUE TO A BLOCKING
PATTERN ACROSS THE WESTERN ATLANTIC FORECAST BY GLOBAL MODELS.
MEDIUM RANGE FORECAST FOR NEXT WEEKEND...AND THE FOLLOWING WORK WEEK
WILL THUS BE VERY INTERESTING...AND WILL BE A CONSTANTLY EVOLVING
AND CHANGING SCENARIO.


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Re: Strongest Atlantic Tropical Cyclone
      #11217 - Sun Sep 07 2003 08:55 PM

The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane had sustained winds as high as 140 knots = 160mph. Still a Cat V, but not a Camille which had sustained winds of 165 knots = 190mph.
ED


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