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Re: FL and the storms [Re: danielw]
      #19226 - Thu Aug 12 2004 04:40 AM

Do ya'll see the storm slowing down once in the gulf ?



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Re: FL and the storms [Re: danielw]
      #19227 - Thu Aug 12 2004 04:44 AM

I think the only part that isn't under a watch is south of Suwannee and north of Anna Maria Island. And I don't understand why.

BTW.......having watched the loops again, I do believe that the movement of Bonnie was just a jog.

I'm gonna give my eyes a rest...there doing rotations.

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Re: FL and the storms - Charley [Re: hardcore]
      #19228 - Thu Aug 12 2004 04:46 AM

Our locat met mentioned that that could be a possibility and if it does slow down, it's going to be worse.

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Re: New Storm Fixes [Re: Colleen A.]
      #19229 - Thu Aug 12 2004 04:52 AM

URNT12 KNHC 120359
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 12/0359Z
B. 27 DEG 26 MIN N
88 DEG 23 MIN W
C. 850 MB 1499 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 213 DEG 37 KT
G. 130 DEG 43 NM
H. 1010 MB
I. 18 C/ 1531 M
J. 19 C/ 1526 M
K. 14 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 12345/8
O. 0.1/5 NM
P. AF963 0902A BONNIE OB 13
MAX FL WIND 39 KT E QUAD 0131Z.

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URNT12 KNHC 120404
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 12/0404Z
B. 17 DEG 50 MIN N
78 DEG 53 MIN W
C. 850 MB 1321 M
D. NA
E. NA
F. 295 DEG 47 KT
G. 215 DEG 18 NM
H. 989 MB
I. 18 C/ 1520 M
J. 21 C/ 1519 M
K. 18 C/ NA
L. CLOSED WALL
M. C10
N. 12345/8
O. 1/1 NM
P. AF968 0403A Charley OB 17
MAX FL WIND 76 KT NE QUAD 0209Z.


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Re: Sat info [Re: danielw]
      #19230 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:09 AM

NOUS42 KWNO 120317
ADMNFD
SPECIAL NCEP DISCUSSION
CENTRAL OPERATIONS/NCEP/NWS/WASHINGTON DC
0310 UTC THU AUG 12 2004

120310Z...THE 00Z NCEP PRODUCTION CYCLE IS ON TIME.

34 DROPSONDES AND FLIGHT LEVEL REPORTS OVER THE CARIBBEAN
REGION WERE AVAILABLE FOR 00Z GFS INGEST..

RAOB UPDATE..
PASY/70414 - NOT AVBL

FYI...AN RSO OF GOES-E HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR TPC. THE
RSO WILL BE IN OPERATION UNTIL 13/2126Z TO ASSIST
WITH T.S. BONNIE AND HCN Charley.

*note-they are shifting a satellite for near-exclusive tracking and coverage of Bonnie and Charley. The satellite has a Rapid Scan Operation mode in which it takes more frequent pictures than usual. Hence, faster updates on some of the Sats.
Sat is short for satellite-sorry 'bout that-edit

Edited by danielw (Thu Aug 12 2004 05:23 AM)


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Re: New Storm Fixes [Re: danielw]
      #19231 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:10 AM

Am I reading that right? 989mb?

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Re: Sat info [Re: danielw]
      #19232 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:17 AM

Not that I'm dumb or anything, but what the heck does that Sat Info mean?

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Re: FL Watch and Warning Link [Re: danielw]
      #19233 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:19 AM

Very good list of counties affected.
Actual messages are below the list. May take a while to download if you have slow service.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/alerts/fl.html


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Re: New Storm Fixes [Re: joepub1]
      #19234 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:20 AM

Yes, you were reading that right. Charley's getting more organized. It almost looks as the the bands are starting to wrap around the center.

The 2am advisory should tell us. But they'll probably wait until 5am to make any changes.

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Re: Sat info [Re: Colleen A.]
      #19235 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:20 AM

I do believe they've put the sat into "rapid scan" until friday the 13th (anybody else noticed that date?).

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Re: Sat info [Re: joepub1]
      #19236 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:27 AM

Chuckie's on his way on friday the 13th........

I don't see how Bonnie hasn't bought herself some more time over water. She sure looks like she going into the bend, not the panhandle. No more than a few hours, but who knows? Cat 1 doesn't seem as unlikely to me now.

Charley is showing cold, cold cloud tops begining to wrap off of the western end of Jamaica, where the eye should be. Center is closed, and he's still WNW as advertised.


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Re: Friday the 13th [Re: joepub1]
      #19237 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:27 AM

Yes, I have been trying to ignore that all week. I hope it doesn't make the history books.

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Re: Hurricane Preparations [Re: danielw]
      #19238 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:28 AM

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT - HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY AREA - RUSKIN FL
1236 AM EDT THU AUG 12 2004

NOW IS THE TIME TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS AND SECURE YOUR PROPERTY.
THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR PREPARING FOR THE STORM.

GROCERY STORE MAY SELL OUT OF ITEMS SOON. STOCK UP ON...
BATTERIES FOR RADIOS AND FLASHLIGHTS.
CANNED OR DRIED FOOD AND DRINKING WATER.
FIRST AID SUPPLIES.
PRESCRIPTION MEDICINE.
CASH...CREDIT CARDS AND ATM'S MAY NOT WORK WITHOUT POWER.
FUEL FOR AUTOMOBILES...GENERATORS AND CHAIN SAWS.

AROUND THE HOUSE...
STORE LOOSE ITEMS SUCH AS TRASH CANS OR YARD FURNITURE.
SECURE WINDOWS WITH SHUTTERS... BOARDS ETC.
BATTERY OPERATED RADIOS ARE WORKING.
MOVE BOAT TO A SAFE LOCATION.
TRIM LARGE TREES THAT COULD FALL ON HOUSE.
MAKE SURE VALUABLE PAPERS ARE SECURE.

MAKE RESERVATIONS NOW. PLAN TO EVACUATE IF YOU LIVE...
IN A MOBILE HOME.
ON THE COAST.
IN A LOW LYING FLOOD PRONE AREA.
IN A HIGH RISE.

IF YOU MUST EVACUATE TO A PUBLIC SHELTER REMEMBER TO BRING...
FIRST AID KIT.
MEDICINE.
BABY FOOD AND DIAPERS.
TOILETRIES.
CHANGE OF CLOTHES.
BATTERY POWERED RADIO AND EXTRA BATTERIES.
FLASHLIGHT.
SLEEPING BAGS OR BLANKETS.
IDENTIFICATION.
VALUABLE PAPERS.
CASH.
GAMES.

REMEMBER...PETS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN PUBLIC SHELTERS.

IF YOU ARE STAYING AT HOME...
TURN REFRIGERATOR TO MAXIMUM COLD.
TURN OFF PROPANE TANKS.
UNPLUG SMALL APPLIANCES.
FILL STERILIZED JUGS AND BOTTLES WITH WATER FOR DRINKING.
FILL BATH TUB AND CONTAINERS WITH WATER FOR SANITARY.
PURPOSES.

IF YOU PLAN ON USING A PORTABLE GENERATOR...CHECK IT NOW FOR
PROPER VENTILATION. CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING DEATHS CAN OCCUR
DUE TO IMPROPERLY VENTILATED PORTABLE GENERATORS!

WHEN WINDS BECOME STRONG...
STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS.
REMAIN IN A SMALL INTERIOR ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
CLOSE ALL INTERIOR DOORS.
SECURE AND BRACE EXTERIOR DOORS.

PRECAUTIONS OUTSIDE YOUR HOME SHOULD BE STARTED NOW WHILE THE
WEATHER IS STILL GOOD. IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK OUTSIDE SOON.


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Re: Bugs/Rabbit [Re: met]
      #19239 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:29 AM

just mentioning that Charley is becomming more symmetrical with each passing hour

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Re: Hurricane Preparations [Re: danielw]
      #19240 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:32 AM

does that need editing to make it shorter?
I've also posted some additional info on the Disaster Forum.
thanks

Edited by danielw (Thu Aug 12 2004 05:38 AM)


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Re: Hurricane Preparations [Re: danielw]
      #19243 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:36 AM

No, I don't think so. There are a lot of lurkers here who may need that info.

Charley's on a one-way trip: destination: Cayman Islands.

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Re: Sat info [Re: joepub1]
      #19244 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:41 AM

Okay, I'm making my inaugural 2004 post, so be kind to me!

I'm sitting in the bulls-eye of this sucker in Lakeland, FL, which is right about under the current white line for the storm track. Lucky me. I'm in an apartment, which is at least a little improvement over the mobile home from a year ago.

Anyway, I went back and looked at the recon data from Charley over the last 3 runs I could find (0017Z, 0212Z, and 0404Z), and Charley is definitely moving overall 297, with steps of 292 from 0017Z-0212Z and 305 from 0212Z-0404Z. (Based on their fixes, and using the WGS84 earth model to do the bearing calculations.)

To me, that makes me think (I'm a total amateur, my degree is in Math, not met!) there's the northwestern turn beginning, but since we're only talking about 3 fixes over 4 total hours, it's hard to say if it's a trend or a wobble.

What really interested me was the recon's description of the eyewall characteristic. In the first two recon fixes I looked at, they held fast at C8, meaning circular with 8nm diameter. This most recent, despite dropping pressure, is showing a wider C10 eye. Huh. Beats me. And check out the max winds reported. Back 4 hours ago, it was 60kt, 2 hours ago, it was 76kt, and just now they only got 47kt. Weird. Did they just not find it, or is there some sort of nighttime sleep going on with Charley?

Tomorrow's gonna be a long day for those of us in C. Fla. I've watched them come and pass by for 13 years or so, but this one's just got that feeling. May be heading to Home Depot tomorrow to figure out how I can shelter up the apartment what with the rules the complex has on permanently nailing/screwing into the walls. Heh.

Oh, some links for those who want some more info, which I found with some scrounging online:

For anybody else watching along with me, here's two links that are handy for reading these things and figuring math out:

Recon Data Explanation
Calculating Lat/Long Distances & Bearings

Londovir

Edited by Londovir (Thu Aug 12 2004 05:42 AM)


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Re: Hurricane Preparations [Re: Colleen A.]
      #19245 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:41 AM

I agree. Leave it as is, covers all the bases.

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Re: Bugs/Rabbit [Re: BugsBunny]
      #19246 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:41 AM

Question: whose mentioning it? You or NHC? Either way, you're right. Just curious.

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Re: Hurricane Preparations [Re: Colleen A.]
      #19247 - Thu Aug 12 2004 05:42 AM

Good morning Colleen...why am I not surprised to find you here in the wee hours on the eve of...Making a list myself...Guess we can't miss them all...stay dry...

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