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Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers [Re: Ronn]
      #33384 - Thu Sep 30 2004 11:56 AM

I still don't like hearing friction as relating to the interaction between wind and land.

Call me old-fashioned, but...


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Re: interesting post-storm analysis from PHL NWS [Re: Ed in Va]
      #33385 - Thu Sep 30 2004 11:54 AM

I am sure there will be papers written. The unusual events are the ones you can really learn from, and this same thing happened with Floyd, so it has happened here before.
As it turns out, the center actually passed very close to my location, but fortunately, I did not receive the severe weather.


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10N 53W [Re: danielw]
      #33388 - Thu Sep 30 2004 02:07 PM

While there's no organization at the surface, I'm noticing
the outflow of the storm seemes to be easterly on the
northern side and westerly on the southern side. Would this be a possible precursor to some organization developing?

Thoughts?
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Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #33391 - Thu Sep 30 2004 02:38 PM

I saw some of those steeple pics and thought something was odd about them...

It's difficult for those of us outside hurricane areas to visualize what is going on = I thought it was like a big wind blowing stuff around.

Downdraft... interesting. I have seen the results here... looks odd with telephone poles all snapped at the same height and the broken off parts lying all in a row. That debris didn't go far either. Signs in the road, trees and limbs pretty much just toppled over. I was driving at the time and thought 'tornado'! especially when we got hit with a massive amount of hail, but I was kinda busy dodging fallen electric lines to think about the fact that debris was close to where it started from...

hmm...

'shana


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Re: ? for Mets & long time trackers [Re: Ronn]
      #33393 - Thu Sep 30 2004 02:59 PM

I believe drag is the result of friction, everything on Earth and any other bodies have friction. Friction from water molecules and air molecules is very minute but should be considered, it is mainly land and the obstructions that lie on top of it. Downbursts don't take down the wind from the upper atmosphere, they create it. A good example of a meso-vortice, take a cup spin it around with a spoon then move the spoon the other way quickly. You can see little meso-vortices, meso is simply a term that describes the size of the weather. But your right frictional drag makes vortices in the eye.

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Spinning System S of Hati. [Re: danielw]
      #33394 - Thu Sep 30 2004 03:28 PM

Looking @ the Water Vapor Loop.......Seems to be some "spin" to the clouds due S of Hati.. There Also seems to be some storms building on the SE side of the circulation.

Making too much out of nothing?
I ask the experts.....

Thanks
Matt


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Re: Spinning System S of Hati. [Re: Grasshopper2]
      #33395 - Thu Sep 30 2004 03:37 PM

That one is facing some SW shear for the moment and has good outflow to the north and east because of the ULL to the NW backing in. It's moving in the direction of Hati and that might have some effect on it. That wave has become very compact east of the Leewards, but still no banding features visible on satellite imagery. Neverless should be watched ravenously as storms in spetmember are capable of becoming very strong.

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Hombrew Development [Re: Keith234]
      #33396 - Thu Sep 30 2004 03:44 PM

That weak stalled cold front has stalled out in the area that I like to call the "Gulf of the Yuctan." The system has is starting to make the change from a weak barolclinic system to more of a tropical system, like the Catrina off the Brazilian coast, only no rex block or blocking pattern yet. This should also be watched, looks like these quiet time periods are always short lived, sigh.

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Re: Spinning System S of Hati. [Re: Grasshopper2]
      #33397 - Thu Sep 30 2004 03:59 PM

WV Loop

This bears watching (uh oh...bear watch!), but any development would be slow to occur, but there is a mid/ upper level low present. The other area of convection to the east of the leewards may also need to be watched closely.

WV Loop 2

The convection in the Bay of Campeche (BOC) could pose a problem down the road...right now just need's monitoring, but could lead to some home brew in a couple of days.

Although the african wave train is still active, conditions are not that favorable for any further CV longtrackers...I think we are close to officially declaring the CV season over...

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Re: Spinning System S of Hati. [Re: LI Phil]
      #33398 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:02 PM

There seem to be quite a little batch of storms SW of Tampa (last 2 / 3 frames) Think we will see rain today/tommorow?

As always, Thank You

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Re: Spinning System S of Hati. [Re: Keith234]
      #33399 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:07 PM

Looks like the "center" is moving NW towards Jamacia? Is that an "eye" forming @ its center?

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Re: Spinning System S of Hati. [Re: LI Phil]
      #33400 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:14 PM

Hmm, Lisa has never looked better circulation-wise, but now there's hardly any convection left.

As for the Haiti storm, NOGAPS at least indicates it's there but slides it west into the Pacific without any development. From the WV loop it looks like it's trying to keep the convection centered as hard as it can, but other than some rotation it's otherwise not very well organized.
As for 10n53w, the models don't even see this one. From what I've watched, I see this thing following a track farther south than Earl, drenching the coast of South America but otherwise not developing.

For the record, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Discussion [Re: leetdan]
      #33401 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:21 PM

TWD pretty much says it all...

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Holy **** [Re: LI Phil]
      #33402 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:40 PM

Holy ****

Hurricane Mathew

Yikes

http://www.kn4lf.com/matthewloop.gif

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Re: Holy **** [Re: WXMAN RICHIE]
      #33403 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:51 PM

Why does it have to be Matthew?

Cant we just skip Matthew?

I really really don't want a Hurricane with my name...


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Re: Discussion [Re: LI Phil]
      #33404 - Thu Sep 30 2004 04:53 PM

*bookmarks*

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Matthew [Re: grasshopper2]
      #33405 - Thu Sep 30 2004 05:09 PM

Quote:

Why does it have to be Matthew?

Cant we just skip Matthew?

I really really don't want a Hurricane with my name...




Conjures up a certain mentally deficient poster from a couple of years back too...

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Re: Matthew [Re: LI Phil]
      #33406 - Thu Sep 30 2004 05:32 PM

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mlb/jeanne/jeanne_swath

Here is the wind swath for Jeanne from MLB weaher office, kinda shows what that friction/drag stuff is doing.


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Re: Matthew [Re: SteveieB]
      #33407 - Thu Sep 30 2004 05:31 PM

Thanks for the link!

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Re: Holy **** [Re: WXMAN RICHIE]
      #33408 - Thu Sep 30 2004 05:36 PM

Agreed, if there is to be a Matthew(also my given name) this year, and we all know there will be, please let it be a fish spinner or hit an unpopulated area of the Mexican coast. And to think that I did the Scripture readings at Sunday morning mass with my friend Lisa this past week, that was a little weird.

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