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GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment
      #34236 - Mon Nov 01 2004 03:42 PM

I know many of us are much more concerned with how the president will deal with the events in Iraq, but needless to say everyone on Earth requries the same basic needs...and if these needs are not fullfilled nothing will live. There is a big problem with the price of gas going on, and will Bush or whomever start getting oil from a different "hot spot"? I've heard rumors about the possiblity that Bush might be drilling in Alaska, which I feel would be a serious mistake? What's your opinion on the matter?

Also, there has been much chatter with the idea of Global Warming occuring, which some political figures blame the excessive amount of landfalling hurricanes on Florida. Whom will take care of this, and how will they go about it? Very serious questions that should be considered before voting...it's getting to the time where we really should be prioritizing these things. Feedback would be appreciated.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34237 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:08 PM

Keith,

Regardless their (candidates') stance, everyone wants to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. The only answers are to drill more on our own shores or perfect portable and renewable energy systems. I doubt either of these will happen in my lifetime.

Niether GWB or Kerry have the answer and there appear to be more pressing issues that these men could focus on.


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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #34238 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:26 PM

I understand that, but there are ways to reduce pollution, and such that theoretically slow down global warming. You just can't push it off and say "neither of which will happen in our lifetime", that's not very optimistic and can lead to rather dangerous consequences. The president could propose a car emission act, or better the original one, provide funding to build safer power plants, etc.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34239 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:32 PM

Keith,

(pssst...let me let you in on a little secret...they're already drilling for oil in Alaska...even have a pipeline and everything). Skeet's right, the only way to reduce dependence on foreign oil is to find more here. Of course, the simplest solution is to continue developing our "reusable" resources such as wind, water and solar, and to...gasp...

USE NUCLEAR ENERGY! The makers of nuke plants have basically perfected the technology and new improved safeguards would make even a minor disaster virtually impossible. The failsafe mechanisms will ensure that no one's safety is compromised...but the tree huggers will have no business with that. That's about the one thing France does better than the USA...get rid of oil firing plants to create energy and substitute them with nuclear...or as GWB likes to say "Noo-que-lar".

We've had our global warming debate already this year, before you and skeet signed on...I don't buy it...I certainly don't buy any arguments that because of global warming more hurricanes will strike Florida...but those are politicians for you, they'll say and do anything to get elected.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34241 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:37 PM

Gosh... I sure hope my pessimistic views don't lead to dangerous consequences. I guess one man really can make a difference!

I never really thought the glass was half full, OR half empty. The fact is, that glass is either too big or you just don't have enough scotch!


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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: LI Phil]
      #34243 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:41 PM

I knew they were drilling in Alaska but I don't want them drilling in the pristine area. And I don't really want Nuclear energy for one, it lowers property value, two it can blow up, and three where would you place them? They're just not efficent and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them even if they were prefectly safe.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34244 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:53 PM

bipartisan efforts on behalf of nuclear energy

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: LI Phil]
      #34248 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:08 PM

How can you say a power plant, that has to be put on a site the size of Brooklyn efficent? First of all it cost loads of money, and if you want to use it for say NYC it has to be awfully close, otherwise it can get very expensive and NYC could be at a greater risk of having a black out.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34249 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:18 PM

>>> otherwise it can get very expensive and NYC could be at a greater risk of having a black out

Ah, Keith, it's great to be young...do you remember the black out of last (2003) August? Do you remember who lost power? The whole FRIGGIN Northeast. They're all interconnected on a grid. Gone are the days when a local power plant would supply the local village with power. In fact nuclear reactors in our neighbor to the north, had they been on the grid, might have prevented the blackout.

It's fine to be against nuclear energy, just know the facts. If your solution to meeting our future energy needs is not nuclear, then what is...because right now we're not able to go it with wind, water, solar and fuel-cells and the like...it's nuclear or more coal or oil burning polluting power plants...

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: LI Phil]
      #34252 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:31 PM

That's why I said we should fund organizations that could make better power plants, that would not pollute the atmosphere and such. Actually, there is a possible method of energy being tested here on LI. I believe it is on the Stony Brook campus; they have a huge ring and it combusts atoms and they spin around and generate heat which can be readily converted into usuable energy.

Unfortantely I did experince the blackout, had a big pool party that day though...

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #34254 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:37 PM

Weren't you in the army, an army of one!

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Uh oh [Re: Keith234]
      #34255 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:44 PM

You just started WWIII!

"Why don't I bend you over the table there... send you home with the "I just pumped the neighbor's cat" look on your face."

Gunnery Sergeant Thomas Highway, USMC, Ret.

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Re: Uh oh [Re: LI Phil]
      #34257 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:57 PM

I'm not familar with that face, just kidding . I don't mean any harm.

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Skeet the Marine [Re: Keith234]
      #34259 - Mon Nov 01 2004 06:02 PM

Quote:

Weren't you in the army, an army of one!




Perhaps, if you are going to question the military service of anyone, especially one who posts on this board, even in jest, perhaps you should look at the military service of John Forbes Kerry and his subsequent betrayal of the troops in Viet Nam...his friendship and partnership with Hanoi Jane...his almost treasonous behavior with the VVAW...

Skeet doesn't need me defending him, that's for sure...

I can't WAIT for his rebuttal

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Re: Skeet the Marine [Re: LI Phil]
      #34260 - Mon Nov 01 2004 06:33 PM

I think you're taking it the wrong way, he said and I quote "Gosh... I sure hope my pessimistic views don't lead to dangerous consequences. I guess one man really can make a difference!." Now I would interpret that as sarcasm, and I said "an army of one" because I knew that served in the military and of the frequent commercial advertising to join the army. I am by no means trying to insult anyone...are we clear?

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34262 - Mon Nov 01 2004 06:55 PM

I never said you were trying to insult anyone...but you need to be very careful how you phrase certain things...

You are welcome to your opinion...whether or not you were insulting a member of the armed forces...that's why those brave men and women have gone to war...to let you exercise your right of free speech...

This is an example of free speech:


Should our brave men and women fight and die to support the constitution so we can have this right? Just wondering how you feel on the matter...

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34263 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:10 PM

Just because I like John Kerry doesn't mean I'm some un-consitutional quaker. Of course our men and women should fight to protect the consitution, but not for reasons that won't benefit the American people. Yes that can be an example of free speech but your taking it to the extreme.

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Re: Skeet the Marine [Re: LI Phil]
      #34265 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:24 PM

I notice you keep on bringing up his past miltary record. It doesn't seem that you need to be required to be in the military to be a president. What it comes down to is a intelligent, good leader, diplomatic person that has past experince in the field. People change...and will not always reflect the same attitude every single year of their life.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34266 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:22 PM

>>> Of course our men and women should fight to protect the consitution, but not for reasons that won't benefit the American people.

Why do you think we are in Iraq? Name me one, just one, reason being in Iraq and fighting for Iraqi democracy WON'T benefit the American people???

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34268 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:27 PM

Quote:

Weren't you in the army, an army of one!




Actually, it was the U.S. Army, and the United States Marine Corps. I also have war time service under President Reagan.

The First Amendment contains 45 words, guaranteeing 5 important freedoms. Chief among these is free speech. Specifically, political speech. The framers of our constitution ordered the Amendments in the order of greatest importance to the people. Free speech was first.

Keith, I swore a life oath to give my life protecting the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign or domestic. This oath remains today.

As you explore your political positions and conclusions, you should feel very comfortable expressing your views. I would suggest, however, that you ask more questions than offer opinions until you are certain you know what you are talking about. Nothing is more satisfying than discussing issues with you and nothing is more exciting than having the right to do it, even if we disagree.

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