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GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment
      #34236 - Mon Nov 01 2004 03:42 PM

I know many of us are much more concerned with how the president will deal with the events in Iraq, but needless to say everyone on Earth requries the same basic needs...and if these needs are not fullfilled nothing will live. There is a big problem with the price of gas going on, and will Bush or whomever start getting oil from a different "hot spot"? I've heard rumors about the possiblity that Bush might be drilling in Alaska, which I feel would be a serious mistake? What's your opinion on the matter?

Also, there has been much chatter with the idea of Global Warming occuring, which some political figures blame the excessive amount of landfalling hurricanes on Florida. Whom will take care of this, and how will they go about it? Very serious questions that should be considered before voting...it's getting to the time where we really should be prioritizing these things. Feedback would be appreciated.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34237 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:08 PM

Keith,

Regardless their (candidates') stance, everyone wants to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. The only answers are to drill more on our own shores or perfect portable and renewable energy systems. I doubt either of these will happen in my lifetime.

Niether GWB or Kerry have the answer and there appear to be more pressing issues that these men could focus on.


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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #34238 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:26 PM

I understand that, but there are ways to reduce pollution, and such that theoretically slow down global warming. You just can't push it off and say "neither of which will happen in our lifetime", that's not very optimistic and can lead to rather dangerous consequences. The president could propose a car emission act, or better the original one, provide funding to build safer power plants, etc.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34239 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:32 PM

Keith,

(pssst...let me let you in on a little secret...they're already drilling for oil in Alaska...even have a pipeline and everything). Skeet's right, the only way to reduce dependence on foreign oil is to find more here. Of course, the simplest solution is to continue developing our "reusable" resources such as wind, water and solar, and to...gasp...

USE NUCLEAR ENERGY! The makers of nuke plants have basically perfected the technology and new improved safeguards would make even a minor disaster virtually impossible. The failsafe mechanisms will ensure that no one's safety is compromised...but the tree huggers will have no business with that. That's about the one thing France does better than the USA...get rid of oil firing plants to create energy and substitute them with nuclear...or as GWB likes to say "Noo-que-lar".

We've had our global warming debate already this year, before you and skeet signed on...I don't buy it...I certainly don't buy any arguments that because of global warming more hurricanes will strike Florida...but those are politicians for you, they'll say and do anything to get elected.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34241 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:37 PM

Gosh... I sure hope my pessimistic views don't lead to dangerous consequences. I guess one man really can make a difference!

I never really thought the glass was half full, OR half empty. The fact is, that glass is either too big or you just don't have enough scotch!


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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: LI Phil]
      #34243 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:41 PM

I knew they were drilling in Alaska but I don't want them drilling in the pristine area. And I don't really want Nuclear energy for one, it lowers property value, two it can blow up, and three where would you place them? They're just not efficent and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them even if they were prefectly safe.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34244 - Mon Nov 01 2004 04:53 PM

bipartisan efforts on behalf of nuclear energy

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: LI Phil]
      #34248 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:08 PM

How can you say a power plant, that has to be put on a site the size of Brooklyn efficent? First of all it cost loads of money, and if you want to use it for say NYC it has to be awfully close, otherwise it can get very expensive and NYC could be at a greater risk of having a black out.

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34249 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:18 PM

>>> otherwise it can get very expensive and NYC could be at a greater risk of having a black out

Ah, Keith, it's great to be young...do you remember the black out of last (2003) August? Do you remember who lost power? The whole FRIGGIN Northeast. They're all interconnected on a grid. Gone are the days when a local power plant would supply the local village with power. In fact nuclear reactors in our neighbor to the north, had they been on the grid, might have prevented the blackout.

It's fine to be against nuclear energy, just know the facts. If your solution to meeting our future energy needs is not nuclear, then what is...because right now we're not able to go it with wind, water, solar and fuel-cells and the like...it's nuclear or more coal or oil burning polluting power plants...

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: LI Phil]
      #34252 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:31 PM

That's why I said we should fund organizations that could make better power plants, that would not pollute the atmosphere and such. Actually, there is a possible method of energy being tested here on LI. I believe it is on the Stony Brook campus; they have a huge ring and it combusts atoms and they spin around and generate heat which can be readily converted into usuable energy.

Unfortantely I did experince the blackout, had a big pool party that day though...

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: SkeetoBite]
      #34254 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:37 PM

Weren't you in the army, an army of one!

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Uh oh [Re: Keith234]
      #34255 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:44 PM

You just started WWIII!

"Why don't I bend you over the table there... send you home with the "I just pumped the neighbor's cat" look on your face."

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      #34257 - Mon Nov 01 2004 05:57 PM

I'm not familar with that face, just kidding . I don't mean any harm.

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Skeet the Marine [Re: Keith234]
      #34259 - Mon Nov 01 2004 06:02 PM

Quote:

Weren't you in the army, an army of one!




Perhaps, if you are going to question the military service of anyone, especially one who posts on this board, even in jest, perhaps you should look at the military service of John Forbes Kerry and his subsequent betrayal of the troops in Viet Nam...his friendship and partnership with Hanoi Jane...his almost treasonous behavior with the VVAW...

Skeet doesn't need me defending him, that's for sure...

I can't WAIT for his rebuttal

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Re: Skeet the Marine [Re: LI Phil]
      #34260 - Mon Nov 01 2004 06:33 PM

I think you're taking it the wrong way, he said and I quote "Gosh... I sure hope my pessimistic views don't lead to dangerous consequences. I guess one man really can make a difference!." Now I would interpret that as sarcasm, and I said "an army of one" because I knew that served in the military and of the frequent commercial advertising to join the army. I am by no means trying to insult anyone...are we clear?

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34262 - Mon Nov 01 2004 06:55 PM

I never said you were trying to insult anyone...but you need to be very careful how you phrase certain things...

You are welcome to your opinion...whether or not you were insulting a member of the armed forces...that's why those brave men and women have gone to war...to let you exercise your right of free speech...

This is an example of free speech:


Should our brave men and women fight and die to support the constitution so we can have this right? Just wondering how you feel on the matter...

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34263 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:10 PM

Just because I like John Kerry doesn't mean I'm some un-consitutional quaker. Of course our men and women should fight to protect the consitution, but not for reasons that won't benefit the American people. Yes that can be an example of free speech but your taking it to the extreme.

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Re: Skeet the Marine [Re: LI Phil]
      #34265 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:24 PM

I notice you keep on bringing up his past miltary record. It doesn't seem that you need to be required to be in the military to be a president. What it comes down to is a intelligent, good leader, diplomatic person that has past experince in the field. People change...and will not always reflect the same attitude every single year of their life.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34266 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:22 PM

>>> Of course our men and women should fight to protect the consitution, but not for reasons that won't benefit the American people.

Why do you think we are in Iraq? Name me one, just one, reason being in Iraq and fighting for Iraqi democracy WON'T benefit the American people???

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Re: GWB,JFK's Stance on Environment [Re: Keith234]
      #34268 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:27 PM

Quote:

Weren't you in the army, an army of one!




Actually, it was the U.S. Army, and the United States Marine Corps. I also have war time service under President Reagan.

The First Amendment contains 45 words, guaranteeing 5 important freedoms. Chief among these is free speech. Specifically, political speech. The framers of our constitution ordered the Amendments in the order of greatest importance to the people. Free speech was first.

Keith, I swore a life oath to give my life protecting the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign or domestic. This oath remains today.

As you explore your political positions and conclusions, you should feel very comfortable expressing your views. I would suggest, however, that you ask more questions than offer opinions until you are certain you know what you are talking about. Nothing is more satisfying than discussing issues with you and nothing is more exciting than having the right to do it, even if we disagree.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34270 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:36 PM

People will lose lives when the Iraqis don't want us their!!! It's seems evident, otherwise random people wouldn't ask for help and then blow their body to pieces in an attempt to kill people that are trying to help them. It just doesn't add up, if the people want to be that way, leave em'.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34272 - Mon Nov 01 2004 07:37 PM

>>> People will lose lives when the Iraqis don't want us their!!!

Who says the Iraqi's don't want us THERE? Like Skeet said either in this E & N or the other one, it is great to be able to debate the issues on their merits...to have an informed and (except on my part) intellectual conversation...but blanketly making statements without proof is counterproductive, and quite frankly, not worth our time. Check your facts before you make statements like the one above.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34276 - Mon Nov 01 2004 08:23 PM

The War's One Simple Truth
Iraqis Do Not Want Us
By ROBERT FISK


A war founded on illusions, lies and right-wing ideology was bound to founder in blood and fire. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. He was in contact with al-Qa'ida, he was involved with the crimes against humanity of 11 September. The people of Iraq would greet us with flowers and music. There would be a democracy.

Even the pulling-down of Saddam's statue was a fraud. An American military vehicle tugged the wretched thing down while a crowd of only a few hundred Iraqis watched. Where were the tens of thousands who should have pulled it down themselves, who should have been celebrating their "liberation"?

On the night of 9 April last year, the BBC even managed to find a "commentator" to heap abuse on me and The Independent for using quotation marks around the word "liberation".

In fact, freedom from Saddam's dictatorship in those early days and weeks meant freedom to loot, freedom to burn, freedom to kidnap, freedom to murder. The initial American and British blunder--to allow the mobs to take over Baghdad and other cities--was followed by the arrival of the far more sinister squads of arsonists who systematically destroyed every archive, every government ministry (save for Oil and Interior which were, of course, secured by US troops), Islamic manuscripts, national archives and irreplaceable antiquities. The very cultural identity of Iraq was being annihilated.

Yet still the Iraqis were supposed to rejoice in their "liberation". The occupying power sneered at reports that women were being kidnapped and violated--in fact, the abductions of men as well as women were at the rate of 20 a day and may now be as high as 100 a day--and steadfastly refused to calculate the numbers of Iraqi civilians killed each day by gunmen, thieves and American troops.

Even this week, as the promises and lies and obfuscations fell apart, the American military spokesman was still only able to give military casualties--this when more than 200 Iraqis are reported to have been killed in the US attack on Fallujah.

Over the months, the isolation of the occupation authorities from the Iraqi people they were supposed to care so much about was only paralleled by the vast distance in false hope and self-deceit between the occupying powers in Baghdad and their masters back in Washington.

Paul Bremer, America's proconsul in Iraq, started off by calling the resistance "party remnants", which is exactly what the Russians used to call their Afghan opponents after they invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Then Mr Bremer called them "diehards". Then he called them "dead-enders". And, as the attacks against US forces increased around Fallujah and other Sunni Muslim cities, we were told this area was the "Sunni triangle", even though it is much larger than that implies and has no triangular shape.

So when President Bush made his notorious trip to the Abraham Lincoln to announce the end of all "major military operations"--beneath a banner claiming "Mission Accomplished"--and when attacks against US troops continued to rise, it was time to rewrite the chapter on post-war Iraq. "Foreign fighters" were now in the battle, according to the US Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld. The US media went along with this nonsense, even though not a single al-Qa'ida operative has been arrested in Iraq and of the 8,500 "security detainees" in American hands, only 150 appear to be from outside Iraq. Just 2 per cent.

Then as winter approached and Saddam was caught and the anti-American resistance continued, the occupying powers and their favourite journalists began to warn of civil war, something no Iraqi has ever indulged in and which no Iraqi has ever been heard discussing. Iraq was now to be frightened into submission. What would happen if the Americans and British left? Civil war, of course. And we don't want civil war, do we?

The Shia remained quiescent, their leadership divided between the scholarly and pro-Western Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani and the impetuous but intelligent Muqtada Sadr. They opened their mass graves and mourned those thousands who were tortured and executed by Saddam's butchery and then asked why we used to support Saddam, why it took us 20 years to discover the need to stage our humanitarian invasion.

If the occupation authorities had bothered to study the results of a conference on Iraq held by the Centre for Arab Unity Studies in Beirut recently, they might be forced to acknowledge what they cannot admit: that their opponents are Iraqis and that this is an Iraqi insurgency.

An Iraqi academic, Sulieman Jumeili, who lives in the city of Fallujah, told how he discovered that 80 per cent of all rebels killed were Iraqi Islamist activists. Only 13 per cent of the dead men were primarily nationalists and only 2 per cent had been Baathists.

But we cannot accept these statistics. Because if this is an Iraqi revolt against us, how come they aren't grateful for their liberation? So, after the atrocities in Fallujah just over a week ago when four US mercenaries were killed, mutilated and dragged through the streets, General Ricardo Sanchez, the US commander in Iraq, sanctioned what is preposterously called "Operation Vigilant Resolve". And now that Sadr's thousands of Shia militiamen had joined in the battle against the Americans, General Sanchez had to change the narrative yet again.

No longer were his enemies Saddam "remnants" or even al-Qa'ida; they were now "a small (sic) group of criminals and thugs". The Iraqi people would not be allowed to fall under their sway, General Sanchez said. There was "no place for a renegade militia".

So the marines smashed their way into Fallujah, killing more than 200 Iraqis, including women and children, while using tanks fire and helicopter gunships against gunmen in the Baghdad slums of Sadr City. It took a day or two to understand what new self-delusion had taken over the US military command. They were not facing a country-wide insurgency. They were liberating the Iraqis all over again! So, of course, this will mean a few more "major military operations". Sadr goes on the wanted list for a murder after an arrest warrant that no one told us about when it was mysteriously issued months ago--supposedly by an Iraqi judge--and General Mark Kimmitt, General Sanchez's number two, told us confidently that Sadr's militia will be "destroyed".

And so the bloodbath spreads ever further across Iraq. Kut and Najaf are now outside the control of the occupying powers. And with each new collapse, we are told of new hope. Yesterday, General Sanchez was still talking about his "total confidence" in his troops who were "clear in their purpose", how they were making "progress" in Fallujah and how--these are his actual words, "a new dawn is approaching".

Which is exactly what US commanders were saying exactly a year ago today--when US troops drove into the Iraqi capital and when Washington boasted of victory against the Beast of Baghdad.






200 Iraquis have fought and were killed in attempt to "liberate" them. Sounds to me we're like barking up the wrong tree.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34277 - Mon Nov 01 2004 08:36 PM

Robert Fisk is a pseudo-liberal BRITISH journalist, who has a personal beef with Tony Blair. You want me to post Rush Limbaugh or some other right wing nut to refute this story.

At least Rush is American. Don't google the internet to try to find contrary evidence...I could do the same thing.

I want YOUR informed opinion...show me a congressman or a senator who feels the Iraqi's don't want us there...

C'mon, I would love to debate this on it's merits...

I'll agree that the "Mission Accomplished" deal was premature, but that doesn't mean the Iraqi's would prefer us to leave them to the warlords and terror merchants.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34282 - Mon Nov 01 2004 08:59 PM

Now your pissing me off. I am not going to document words from one of our 100 something senators. As you may know there is much more "dirt" on Kerry then Bush, because he's been around longer and well he's said some stupid things, I do regret it though. I am done with the debate, and I am sorry if I offened anyone but I just don't have the energy.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34283 - Mon Nov 01 2004 09:16 PM

Keith,

Just when I was lauding your tenacity in PMs...Sorry if "your" pissed off...

Oh, and there are EXACTLY 100 Senators...no more no less.

But to be fair, I will absolutely agree with you on this statement:

there is much more "dirt" on Kerry then Bush, because he's been around longer and well he's said some stupid things, I do regret it though.

I also will agree with at least one promise Kerry has already made "if elected"...he will raise taxes.

Just the words everyone wants to hear...I know that is one promise from which he will not back down.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34284 - Mon Nov 01 2004 09:24 PM

Why would he raise taxes?

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34285 - Mon Nov 01 2004 09:42 PM

John Kerry's EXACT words, from Debate #2:

Now, for the people earning more than $200,000 a year, you're going to see a rollback to the level we were at with Bill Clinton, when people made a lot of money.

I certainly don't make anywhere near that, but he has already gone on record as determined to raise taxes...

Even though he and his Heinz inheriting fortune wife will "suffer" from this proposed tax increase...

Why can't I marry a two-legged ATM?

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34286 - Mon Nov 01 2004 09:59 PM

ever heard of tax and spend? thats what their (dems) all about my friend. "Keeping the little man little". Its o.k. Keith I understand. I use to be a dem until I grew up and became educated! You seem to be a very intelligent kid im sure if you do your homework unbiast you will find the truth. When you have a couple kids or own a small business or serve in the armed forces these posts will become crystal clear to you. Good luck to you!

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34287 - Mon Nov 01 2004 10:04 PM

Certainly an interesting thread - this and a few others recently recorded in this Forum. Although it is the Everything & Nothing Forum (with a more recent tilt toward the 'Nothing' part), the rules of engagement remain the same, i.e., you can knock the post but not the poster. In a few days (don't expect it tomorrow) you will all know the answer.

The country is divided and I am sure that the election results will once again reflect that, however, when the dust has settled and a winner is known, it will be time to put differences aside and work toward the common good of this democracy. If you are registered, tomorrow the important thing is to let your voice be heard by voting. I will be there when the precinct opens.
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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #34288 - Mon Nov 01 2004 10:20 PM

>>> when the dust has settled and a winner is known, it will be time to put differences aside and work toward the common good of this democracy

Ed, I'm not trying to stir the pot (well, maybe a little), but this country has been divided for the past four years, with a slight respite after 9/11. Democrats feel Republican's "Stole" the election, despite the fact that the after-the-fact count in Florida revealed that GWB did indeed outpoll Gore. GWB did very little to become the "compassionate conservative" he campaigned as. Let's face it...you're either with us or against us...nothing that happens tomorrow will change that.

I don't know the weather, but I do know politics...

Fully one half of the country is going to be "pissed off" Wednesday (or possibly sometime in December when the supreme court determines who won).

I will support whomever is "declared" the winner...I didn't like Clinton, but I defended him to death if I had to.

Just don't expect those issues over which we can freely and willingly grapple over to go away.

We are actually at one of the more greater divisions this nation has ever seen...and unless GWB or JFK wins 52% or above (not likely) and a convincing EC victory (also not likely), both parties are going to bitch about the outcome.

Just as I was quite contrite about the BoSux victory last month, so too will I be about a Kerry win...just don't expect the rest of the nation to be so supportive of an institution as great as the American Presidency...

I think GWB will win, actually fairly handily, but I can accept and will support a JFK victory as well.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34289 - Mon Nov 01 2004 10:37 PM

Quote:

Let's face it...you're either with us or against us...nothing that happens tomorrow will change that.





Who is 'us'? Are we not 'us'? Actually there was another close election many years ago (the first one that I voted in) when another JFK squeaked out a close win over Nixon. The country was just as polarized then, but in his presidency Kennedy pulled the country together both socially and economically. It can happen. Your points are noted, but I'm still optimistic enough to give the country a chance - no matter who wins.
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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Ed Dunham]
      #34290 - Mon Nov 01 2004 10:51 PM

Ed, a fair point indeed, and well taken...

Dewey defeats Truman...

WE are all united against Terrorism and Terrorists...I wasn't trying to imply anything else...I believe JFK and GWB bring forth cognizant and cogent arguments.

Still...people are not going to be happy with tomorrow's results, regardless of what they are.

Kennedy didn't pull together the nation...the Bay of Pigs, Guantanamo Bay, 13 days in November...just like 9/11 pulled this nation together.

The lines have been drawn in the sand...I just wish America could unite behind one leader, whomever that may be...not gonna happen.

Let me say this...GWB was not my first choice of the GOP in 2000...and I have MANY issues with his policies. JFK was perhaps the worst choice for the DEMS (aside from Howard Dean or Al Sharpton).

Trust me, whomever wins tomorrow will have his work cut out for him...and I highly doubt either one will be willing to work out their differences to the benefit of the American public.

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Two words.... [Re: LI Phil]
      #34291 - Tue Nov 02 2004 06:39 AM

New Jersey. If this state falls in the GWB column, it's all over but the crying...

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34292 - Tue Nov 02 2004 07:51 AM

Thanks for the kind words 5225225. When the time comes to make the decision I will, but until that time I am a fair weather fan as some might call it. This year I'm a democrat next year I might be a republican. Regardless of my party affilation, I will always stick with the man I've picked. This year it's Kerry and here are some words. There is no legit argument that Bush and the Republicans have provided quality leadership to this country, that is opinion and not factual. I'm not saying to vote for Kerry, but I am asking for you to switch control of the congress. If a democrat does get elected and screw's up, at least we can say we tried...
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Re: Two words.... [Re: LI Phil]
      #34294 - Tue Nov 02 2004 08:20 AM

have you seen new hampshire? Im impressed..

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Re: Two words.... [Re: LI Phil]
      #34295 - Tue Nov 02 2004 08:22 AM

I hope so! Go Bush! Keith your welcome!

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34296 - Tue Nov 02 2004 09:32 AM

It's better to take from people that have money then people that don't. If you wan't a better education department, or a a better police department you have to raise taxes. America is not an amazinlgy rich country nor is it poor, it's in between. If he targets the middle-class then he can un-sure that he gets the majority of his country. I have dealt with a similar problem when I ran for class president, it may sound 'corny'. The kids wanted the vending machine prices to be lower, instead of 1.25 they wanted 1.00. I said we could lower prices by having a food drive, it worked. I raised enough money to keep the vending machines 1.00 for the whole school year. This shows you that sometimes you have to I, shouldn't say take but borrow money from higher organziatons to help out the lower organizations, that need help. In a ecomnic system such as ours that is highly dependent on money, there is no other alternative to raising taxes. Then again there's a department that needs a tort reform too.

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: Keith234]
      #34297 - Tue Nov 02 2004 10:19 AM

>>> If a democrat does get elected and screw's up, at least we can say we tried...

Too bad that's never happened before...

Bonus Points...Not for who "said" it, but for the repercussions:

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We're finally on our own
This summer I hear the calling..."

BTW, Glenda Hood just may be the next Katherine Harris...they vote by absentee up here (trust me, I've got their AB requests) then they vote AGAIN in FL...this one is down and dirty...BRING IT ON!!!

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34298 - Tue Nov 02 2004 11:56 AM

I know it was by Neil Young, but that doesn't count so I'll say the Summer of Love?

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Re: Skeet the Marine..and free speech [Re: LI Phil]
      #34299 - Tue Nov 02 2004 11:53 AM

Neil Young in "Four Dead in Ohio" after the Kent State shootings.

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Ohio [Re: Ed in Va]
      #34300 - Tue Nov 02 2004 12:20 PM

You gentlemen are close...oh so close...

It DOES have to do with something that took place in Ohio late yesterday...and pertains to an event taking place today...

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Re: Ohio [Re: LI Phil]
      #34301 - Tue Nov 02 2004 12:28 PM

Something about Ohio being a swing state, is all I could think of.

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Re: Ohio [Re: Keith234]
      #34302 - Tue Nov 02 2004 12:40 PM

Ohio is indeed a swing state, but that's not what I'm after...

Think "litigation"...

BTW, rampant reports of voter fraud in Philly, and GOP buses and vans in Wisconsin, set to bring the elderly and handicapped to the polls, have had their tires slashed...

Will sKerry supporters stop at nothing? Quite frankly, I'm disgusted with the whole thing...both sides are engaging in the dirtiest tactics ever seen...



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Re: Ohio [Re: LI Phil]
      #34303 - Tue Nov 02 2004 12:47 PM

That's politics for you, I think you have it the wrong way LI phil. The elderly vote for Kerry, the young for Bush. Regardless, nobody should be slashing tires...

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Re: Ohio [Re: Keith234]
      #34304 - Tue Nov 02 2004 01:16 PM

By and large, the elderly vote for Bush, except those sKerry scared by telling them Bush was going to take away their social security. The young tend to vote Democratic, if they vote at all. It's all rosy until you get your first real paycheck and you see all the taxes taken out...then you start to vote Republican.

BTW, what's the difference between a liberal and a conservative?

A liberal hasn't yet been mugged.

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Re: Ohio [Re: LI Phil]
      #34305 - Tue Nov 02 2004 01:53 PM

So we can say you've been mugged...because Bush followers tend to be conservative. I wouldn't sterotype the young and say they won't vote, otherwise you obviously don't consider yourself young then, I take it.

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