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FlaMommy
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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: Unregistered User]
      #38553 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:25 PM

is that the big black hole?...just curious

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Re: Comparing Dennis To Ivan And Charley [Re: Jamiewx]
      #38554 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:25 PM

I hope we`re not looking at a comparision map of a hurricane with Frances and Jeanne in the future....Weatherchef

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: Tazmanian93]
      #38555 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:37 PM

Let's see what the lat/long difference is over the next 12 hours.

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: Unregistered User]
      #38556 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:40 PM

I believe most of those models were out when they did the 11 AM Forecast. NHC gets the GFDL before anyone else. However, models are just that and we all know their limitations. So I am gonna take a wait and see attitude.

Wood floors were just installed in my house, tile guys just finished today, and I am down to trim work and my deck outside being finished. Incase you are wondering, all as a result of the hurricanes last year. Hoping for no repeats, it takes too damn long (so far 11 Months of roof and structure repairs, drywall, new windoes, etc.) to get your life back after one of these, and I have been through 4.. (Andrew, Charlie, Francis, Jeanne)

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dolfanblondie
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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: Lake Toho - Kissimmee]
      #38557 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:43 PM

Don't feel bad, my house was condemed. And I am also in Kissimmee.

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: Steve hirschb.]
      #38558 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:43 PM Attachment (241 downloads)

Here's a historical perspective on the track of July storms tracking within 300 miles of Dennis' location.

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: rmbjoe1954]
      #38559 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:46 PM

So it seems climatology would favor a more westward track, as i think Clark already said. However, none of those systems were Major Hurricanes, so i think climatology is out the window.

And Dennis still a TS at 5pm winds DOWN to 65


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Cat 5? [Re: rmbjoe1954]
      #38560 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:46 PM

I have read on Accuweather that Dennis could maybe be a Category 4 by the time it reaches the Gulf of Mexico.... could this one go Cat 5 at landfall???

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: RedingtonBeachGuy]
      #38561 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:47 PM

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Clark - one of the missing elements in reporting about approaching 'cains last year was the heavy rainfall and severe thunderstorm probability.




This is along the lines, though not specific to flooding or rain, BUT, the graphics at

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/160819.shtml?tswind120?large

are very interesting. Colleen...you need to look at this as you are further west than I am.

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: rmbjoe1954]
      #38562 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:49 PM

is there anyplace we can get the Florida State Universities Superensamble Model? Can't find it on the web.

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Re: major shift west in most models [Re: pcola]
      #38563 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:51 PM

You won't. Only the NHC and certain FSU people see it.

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Re: Comparing Dennis To Ivan And Charley [Re: B.C.Francis]
      #38564 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:51 PM

Just to let everyone know, 5pm is out

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Re: Cat 5? [Re: bob895]
      #38565 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:53 PM


But these GOM storms have a tendancy to weaken as they are about to make landfall.

Go figure.

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Re: Comparing Dennis To Ivan And Charley [Re: Tazmanian93]
      #38566 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:53 PM

Dennis down to 65mph....

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Re: Comparing Dennis To Ivan And Charley [Re: bob895]
      #38567 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:56 PM

Due to the dry air from Hispaniola, no doubt.

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two things [Re: bob895]
      #38568 - Wed Jul 06 2005 04:57 PM

first, anyone have any theories as to why Dennis's winds are DOWN at this advisory even though the satellite appearance looks like a hurricane and the pressure is down to 987?

second--anyone other than me think Cindy will be reclassified a hurricane after the season, like 2003's Claudette (while in the Caribbean) and Erika, and last year's Gaston?

also, Dennis is reminding me so much of Charley last year, that i have accidentally called it Charley a few times today


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Re: Cat 5? [Re: bob895]
      #38569 - Wed Jul 06 2005 05:00 PM

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I have read on Accuweather that Dennis could maybe be a Category 4 by the time it reaches the Gulf of Mexico.... could this one go Cat 5 at landfall???




It's way too early to forecast what the intensity could be at landfall. Especially since it hasn't even reached Cat 1status.

Looking at the forecast plots from the 5am adv. this morning. Seems like the storm has tracked just a bit further west than was even forecast then. Earlier it looks to have been forecast to cross 16N right around 72W, and here it is at 72.5W. Not a big difference, but something I like keeping an eye on.

Also, T.S. force winds have gone from 85mi to 100mi outward from the center.

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Re: two things [Re: Rabbit]
      #38570 - Wed Jul 06 2005 05:01 PM

When do they start adding data from the recon's into the models? Anyone have a clue when this will be done ?

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recon [Re: Lake Toho - Kissimmee]
      #38571 - Wed Jul 06 2005 05:04 PM

Recon is still in Dennis.

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Re: two things [Re: Rabbit]
      #38572 - Wed Jul 06 2005 05:07 PM

Many things could affect the winds. Right now, it is probably while it organzies itself. This storm needs to tighten up a bit plus proximity to land and some dry air will have an affect too.

I am in Bastardi's camp on this one. I think Dennis will ultimately be a west of 90 event. When the Bermuda high brings as oppressive a level of heat to Florida that it has been this week, it usually does not easily fade or shift quickly. The models also seem to be moving toward that conclusion too. I think once Dennis is past Jamacia, we will start to find out.

I think Dennis will hut Cuba near 84W-85W. I just don't see him making a quicker turn.


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