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ralphfl
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Re: Tropical Storm Emily forms in East Atlantic [Re: richisurfs]
      #42345 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:39 AM

I will say one thing i have always used is the WC extended forcast for my area.

Believe it or not they had Dennis pegged 5 days beforehand as they had us having the storms sat and sunday way back on monday.

Right now they have for my area 30% pops on monday and tuesday and then sunny and no rain on wednesday which tells me they think its going to the east coast.


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The Box [Re: richisurfs]
      #42346 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:40 AM

Isn't there some box (created by a specific Lat and Lon) that old-time forcasters say if a long-tracking storm passes through the box it will hit S. Florida and if it passes south of the box it will be a GOM storm? Or something like that.... It's just a hazy recollection of something I read or heard once.

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Re: Tropical Storm Emily forms in East Atlantic [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #42347 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:42 AM

Look real closely at their 5 day forecast track map...are you telling me that it doesnt look like it could go into the GOM just as easily as anywhere else at this point? And in their discussion was there one mention of it turning up into south Florida at this point? With all due respect, I'm just not seeing what you're seeing there.

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Re: The Box [Re: cjzydeco]
      #42348 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:42 AM

http://www.hurricanecity.com/hebertbox.htm

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Re: Tropical Storm Emily forms in East Atlantic [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #42349 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:42 AM

I don't know about Emily but I have a gut feeling about Franklin that it's going to be a MAJOR event in the GOM. If the High weakens as they say when it get's to S FL. then look out again NGOM. And this is my predictiment not the NHC.

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Re: The Box [Re: cjzydeco]
      #42350 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:46 AM

couldnt the storm be a south florida and GOM event.........if you extend the line of the NHC track it would be both.

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Re: The Box [Re: 00cj]
      #42351 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:47 AM

Yes, Andrew did that.

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Re: The Box [Re: cjzydeco]
      #42352 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:54 AM

I am going by the thin black line in the five day.I know that is what they say not to do,But they were so good with Dennis.And if you go by the "box"than it would not be a GOM event.

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Re: The Box [Re: cjzydeco]
      #42353 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:56 AM

at what point can you tell if its a big storm like francis or a small storm like Charley. emily looks fairl small at this point.

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Re: The Box [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #42354 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:57 AM

yes... bob... it would still be a GOM storm. the storm would not hit s. florida and dissipate... it would continue on west into.... the gulf of mexico . There is no northerly recurvature currently forecast (though much can change). I would hold off on the "GOM is okay" predictions bob. That is simply not the case.

Edited by Big Red Machine (Tue Jul 12 2005 12:59 AM)


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Re: The Box [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #42355 - Tue Jul 12 2005 12:59 AM

francis went through "the box" but crossed florida and briefly entered the GOM and made a second landfall in the big bend area

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Re: The Box [Re: Big Red Machine]
      #42357 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:03 AM

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yes... bob... it would still be a GOM storm. the storm would not hit s. florida and dissipate... it would continue on west into.... the gulf of mexico . There is no northerly recurvature currently forecast (though much can change). I would hold off on the "GOM is okay" predictions bob. That is simply not the case.


Yes I agree,I stand corrected,It could cross over Florida and enter the GOM.Also this from the NHC:The initial motion estimate is 280/11. Due to the re-development of the low-level center farther north into the deeper convection...the forecast track had to be shifted more to the north...or right...of the previous forecast.

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Re: The Box [Re: 00cj]
      #42358 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:05 AM

Really? I never knew that. My power was out for so long after Francis and then I got so involved preparing for Jeanne and then lost power angain for Jeane that I never saw where she ended up.

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Re: The Box [Re: Big Red Machine]
      #42359 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:07 AM

Exactly...no recurvature is shown with that thin black line in the NHC forecast at this point

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Re: The Box [Re: cjzydeco]
      #42360 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:10 AM

yeah. if i would have spelt the name right it will show her track when you put your mouse over it.... Frances

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Re: The Box [Re: richisurfs]
      #42361 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:11 AM

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Exactly...no recurvature is shown with that thin black line in the NHC forecast at this point


Recurvature???It is showing a slow turn towards the NW.It has not curved anywhere yet.

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From my mother: [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #42362 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:15 AM

"She looks like an Emily. Disorganized blonde..."

"Emily looks so pretty going this way.. yayyyy"

Gotta give it to my mom, she knows how to make weather events seem funny.


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Re: From my mother: [Re: BullitNutz]
      #42363 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:21 AM

Well looks like the models show this might not hit florida in the long run. Looks like a carribean and Yucitan storm........do I think that? Too early.

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Re: The Box [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #42364 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:21 AM

You are saying it does not show that it is going to be a storm that goes into the GOM right? I'm just trying to say that you have it showing some scenario where it is curving more to the NW and heading into south Florida and im trying to tell you that the 5 day extended forecast, while it does show a NW turn, does not show it heading up into south Florida At this point it could go either way...thats all I'm trying to say.

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Re: The Box [Re: richisurfs]
      #42365 - Tue Jul 12 2005 01:25 AM

I was thinking the same thing, the curve of the projection looks too open, but now the NWS is projecting it to go through Haiti, so it might go like Jeanne, weaken, wobble north, loop, and plow into FL. It probably won't loop, but Haiti may weaken it to the point where it just wobbles N a bit, then it regains Westward momentum when it strengthens

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