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and looking at the loops.....there isn't really any real hope for New Orleans....the post by Big Red, I think...of a kick right..is their only hope....if you look at the path...the right side of the eyewall will pass over New Orleans.....it HAS to start kicking north and North East...or....what we all knew could happen...
is happening....
20,000 dead....maybe more
I would not get into predicting deaths.God knows how many will perish and to throw out a number of 20,000 people dying is just not a good statement.
(I agree - lets not get into this kind of a discussion.)
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Lisa NC
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I was just watching CNN and they have a reporter riding out the storm in The French Quarter. Are rating more important than safety!!!
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God be with all those on the gulf coast, and my heart goes out to all of you and your families safety. This news devestates me and i am not even down there, When Jim Cantore says this is the worst hes been in, there's gonna be problems. I am praying for you, all of you.
and TD#13 looks to be a fish spinner as of now, i hope, if it developes at all or anyhting developes..it has some sympathy on those who lost and will lose homes in the Gulf.
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I was just watching CNN and they have a reporter riding out the storm in The French Quarter. Are rating more important than safety!!!
I saw a report this afternoon and the reporter said they all had to sign waivers that the station wasnt responsible if they decided to stay after tonight.
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WWLTV is currently switching the base of operations from NO to Baton Rouge. Same station, different anchors. Should still be on the net. They're at LSU using a combo of students, WWL and KHOU personnel.
There are quite a few people riding it out in the Quarter in various hotel ballrooms
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Waters are near 90 F along the coast; there is no colder water there, unless you go to the ocean floor (where even there, it's still warm).
The posts about gas prices were not deleted, they were just moved to a more appropriate forum.
The eyewall cycle may or may not complete before landfall. If the previous one is any indication, it will not. That may not be a saving grace for New Orleans, but every little bit helps.
A jog to the NE may not be the best thing for the city of New Orleans. A motion like that is going to pile all of the water in Lake Ponchatrain, only to have it sent southward towards the city as the storm passes by to the east on the west side of the circulation. While the west side of the circulation may be weaker, category 3 conditions are still being felt and these winds would likely be enough to take all of that water and topple the levees. A storm that passes over or just west of the city would be better for surge, but bring about stronger winds. Pick your poison, I guess.
Heading for bed, will update in the early am if need be. Stay safe, all.
i'd take the stronger winds. city splintered vs. city splintered slightly less and under water. -HF
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nate77
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yes it is thanks Shana...
Anyone watching the cams on Nola.com???
The Street cam is unreal right now with wind and rain.
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http://flhurricane.com/imageanimator.php?2
Unfortunately the destruction will be televised. The above link (power permiting) will show the flooding as it happends. My heart goes out to the people of New Orleans. The way FEMA and Local officials are talking N.O .may be a ghost town when this is all over. I work for the National Flood Insurance Program, I have seen towns along the mississippi turned into ghost towns. These towns where uninhabitable after the flooding. I hope this is not the case but im afraid it might be. N.O. you are in my familys prayers. God Bless you all. They are estimating 7600 people in the Super Dome. It is rated for 130mph. All of those folks need your prayers tonight. It is unclear what will be left tomorrow along the coast. God Bless you all.
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It seems to me that it has been forever since the last , but someone earlier posted that there was one yesterday? Uhg. This storm has been going on for too long -- the days are starting to blur.
I just don't see the typical signature of an . I keep looking, and there is certainly what looks like a double wall on radar, but I just don't see anything on IR or WV. I concur with earlier posts that if this is an , it is happening too early and we may end up with a brief weakening phase before a reintensification right before landfall. Not trying to sound doomsday-ish. Just want any potential 's to hold off a few more hours.
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They've been saying all day that the Superdome is rated for 200 mph winds and they don't expect it to flood.
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Richard Knabb of was just on CNN and said that Kat was still on forecast track and also said 160 mph wind speed. Said both twice.
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It is rated for 130mph. It is in the middle of downtown N.O. . Ive been there several times to watch Ricky Williams when he was with the Saints. Its hard to beleive that that is the only structure in N.O. (below sea level) that will not flood. I'll try and fing the article i read earlier stating the 130mph rating. Will post it in a few mins
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FOX Just said looked like its weakening..., Lets hope.
Im having probelsm getting WWLTV to play. Did they get knocked off?
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Terra- I heard it has been tested for up to 130mph the Mayor said it would hold up to 200mph but it has not been tested at that speed
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Not that I doubt you read that.. but, I googled superdome hurricane winds and found this site:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weather/july-dec98/georges_9-28.html
that does say 200 mph winds... I just have to believe this is true and the city wouldn't lie to so many citizens.
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CNN and MSNBC both have said it is rated for 200 mph. They also said that emergency personal said they expect the playing field to be flooded by morning. The last video still showed people on the field but they were slow filing up into the stands
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Very little is ever engineered beyond 130mph - except for hardened military installations.
That doesn't mean it won't hold. Many homes that are built to 110mph windload codes hold at 130 - witness , where many did, with only shingle and tarpaper loss.
But within the eyewall is often embedded tornadic activity that radically drives the gust levels up, and sustained 160s can lead to gusts north of 200.
Bottom line is that nobody knows for a fact if it will hold, but its the best bet that people who can't get out have. When your alternative is a home or business that you have every reason to believe WILL fail, you take what you can get.
The only way to know that a structure of this kind WILL hold in that sort of wind is for it to happen. You can engineer for it, but even if you do, there's no guarantee that the construction meets the engineering specifications.
May God be with everyone still in NO and spare a human tragedy. Property can be replaced.
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I don't know if this is totally true but i had this passed along to me by a friend of mine.
FEMA is expecting:
1 million (yes, million) homeless for the next year as a result of this storm
50,000 dead
NO underwater for 8 months
Engineers have put it at 60/40 that the Superdome even survives this storm (yes, do the math on those inside if the 40% turns out to be right)
Army Corps of Engineers says subtract 3 ft. from all the levee heights you've heard on the news - the levees were built in the 60s, and avg. subsistation in La. since then adds up to the levees "settling" approximately 3.5 ft. lower than their stated heights
FEMA has put half its man power available nationwide on standby for the aftermath
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http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl092304thanh.1295648.html
Her you go. About the 4th paragraph down. It wasnt the City that was stretching the truth. Media.... Go figure.
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Not that I doubt you read that.. but, I googled superdome hurricane winds and found this site:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weather/july-dec98/georges_9-28.html
that does say 200 mph winds... I just have to believe this is true and the city wouldn't lie to so many citizens.
Here is a link from New Orleans that sayd 130 MPH.
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl092304thanh.1295648.html
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