The Force 2005
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That's a good point that you make. I wonder how many countries are going to come calling to the United States to provide assistance. Just wait and you will find out. Probally no one. And that's SAD.!!! These people are and will be affected for the rest o0f their lives. And it makes me sick to think that when a disaster happens around the world, the US is the first to respond, but when it comes to our own disasters, where are the other countries coming to the aid of the US.
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trinibaje
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That's a good point that you make. I wonder how many countries are going to come calling to the United States to provide assistance. Just wait and you will find out. Probally no one. And that's SAD.!!! These people are and will be affected for the rest o0f their lives. And it makes me sick to think that when a disaster happens around the world, the US is the first to respond, but when it comes to our own disasters, where are the other countries coming to the aid of the US.
Being the richest country in the world, that is where the U.S. finds itself. We can sit here and argue history etc, but that is not what is important now. What is important anyone helping the people who are in danger of losing their lives right now. Material things can and will be replaced, however people lives are in danger.
And to think September is still to come 
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bobbutts
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Yeah this is getting ugly with the additional flooding. Looking at 1000's of houses and thinking about the individuals inside or even evactuated from each of them and the havoc this has wreaked. Going to take a long time to get this cleaned up and things won't be the same again. The amazing thing is that this in not nearly as bad as it could have been.. The water was forecast to be much deeper and widespread and would have been with a direct hit. If you look at the pictures too you can see very little wind damage. The images in my head that kept me up all night thinking about the worst case were cat 4-5 wind damage at the same time as 30' flooding (2 story houses totally underwater with people inside), superdome collapse,. A large % of buildings blowing apart, giant debris flying around. Basically 0 chance of survival for everyone who stayed.
This is terrible and sickening to watch, but I really believe this was not the worst case. They are going in and saving people from flooded houses now. If this had been the worst case nearly all of them would be dead. It doesn't do any service to claim it was the worst case. A direct hit would have and a future one still would be much worse. People should know that since it could be life or death next time around. I suspect a direct hit from a cat 1 through 3 which many people will now dismiss after going through "The Big One" would cause this level of physical damage or greater in the city with the difference being fewer evacuees and more death.
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Margie
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Mark Sudduth's report for hurricanelive.net / hurricanetrack
http://www.hurricanelivenet.com/aftermath.wmv
The church that is in Mark's video is at
2120 14th Street, gulfport, ms
1) Mike is is your responsibility to make sure the person who made that video gets it out on all the networks.
2) I already contacted one of the mets, now this is a msg for everyone else on the board.
WE have to do something.
We are one of the few groups in the US who right now have the awful knowledge of what happened. Not too many people in the US right now have the knowledge that a huge wall of water, certainly higher than 40 feet along many locations, accompanied by hours of intense winds over 100mph, obliterated miles and miles of coastline, indunating it with water for 24 hours, Along the entire northern Gulf Coast, from Slidell, which almost certainly was leveled from wind, to all coastal communities along the MS Gulf Coast, including Waveland, Bay St. Louis, Pass Christian, Long Beach, Mississippi City, Gulfport, Biloxi, Ocean Springs, Gautier, Pascagoula, Moss Point, Bayou La Batre, Grand Bay, and Mobile AL.
The floodwaters have receeded, so no one will be able to understand and comprehend that this is what happened.
With our knowledge comes responsibility. The US media of ABC, CBS, and NBC, last night convinced the nation that the hurricane was an issue of a few feet of flooding in the French Quarter, some people on rooftops of a few flooded houses, and (the biggest news), part of the roof came off the superdome, and oh by the way, your gas is going to get even more expensive.
Now that the catastrophic conditions in NO are getting better known, and are getting worse due to additional levee breaks, the horrible news about the entire Gulf Coast is in danger of not getting out to the public in a timely way, especially the scope of this disaster, which is almost too much for us to wrap our minds around.
For everyone of you out there on the board, I want you to DO SOMETHING TODAY to mobilize whatever and whoever you have access to, and to use words like "Bangladesh-like flood" and "tsunami" to provide a perspective. If what you have is your church, then start there and get your church in touch with the head administrative staff in the country, and get something going to help those on the coast.
The second thing is to use whatever connections you have to get it in the media, in whatever way you can, even if it is your local media, but get the news out there to the media.
The worst possible thing that we could do now is just sit and chat among ourselves as this information comes in.
We can't afford to sit here after reading a post about how a reporter took a video of what was supposed to be an entire bay with many communities on either side of it, miles of trees and homes and businesses and shorefront (I'm talking about Bay St. Louis), and instead saw the exit off of I-10 tail off into a huge lake. I want you to go to mapquest and look at what was supposed to be there. Don't just sit there and type in a response message: wow. Knowledge is power and so go use your knowledge to get the news of this disaster out to everyone else in the US.
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DebbiePSL
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I was just looking at an article in hurricane history forum and surprised to find a link LIPhil had about what would happen if a major hurricane hit NO that was in May and someone posted about how lucky they had been, and now it is reality. Interesting article you might want to read
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The Force 2005
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That gentleman who wrote that article in May 2005, was on Larry King Live last night. A truly amazing article. Which in fact came true on Monday, regardless where the eye came ashore.
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DebbiePSL
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I was up all night watching the news coverage and they are not taking this hurricane lightly. I think they are doing a decent job trying to get the message out to everyone and I think all of America is aware of what the Gulf Coast is up against. My neighbor left last night with his personal boat to go help with rescue.I think we will see a country unite and embrace each other and help the victims of this horrible disaster. Just my 2 cents
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The Force 2005
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As I posted an earlier post, this is of historic proportions, the humanity of all despartely in need of HELP NOW. As I was saying, where are the reports from other nations willing to come and assist those in need right now. When the Tsunami hit, the US was the first to respond with aid. Now, the gilf coast and millions of people are now in dire straits. Has anyone seen the video of a street that was flooded in NO, when they pan out in the video, the street sign with water upto it;s label read: HUMANITY St. How ironic.
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DebbiePSL
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Exactly while I was reading it I got chills. Very interesting article though
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DebbiePSL
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My thought is --- If every American gave what they could even if it was only one dollar it would be a start. Your Big Companies can certainly afford to help, yesterday I know of 3 that donated large sums of money. Office Depot, Wal-Mart, and T-Mobile. Lets see if the others will meet the challenge Office Depot made.
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Debbie if your neighbor left for New Orleans from FL, he will never get there, at least not today. I 10 is still closed in Pensacola, creating a lengthy detour, and nobody is getting into Mississippi (including reesidents) at the AL line. I-10 is not really passable in MS. But I did see this morning hundreds of Military vehicle (presumably national guard) moving west. May I make a suggestion if you are far away and wish to help, give blood. It will be critical in the coming days and supplies are not accessable in NO, and it will free up supplies in your area to be sent to the damaged area hwere needed.
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lunkerhunter
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Margie,
As I saw with Hurricane Charlie just 25 miles to my north (I drove north on I75 and followed right behind the storm up to Punta Gorda and Port Charlotte), today will be a different story. FEMA, National Guard, state and local official and authorities can now get out a begin a full scale rescue operation across the region. They will release info to the media. Also media helicopters will get up today and you will see alot of new video on TV today and tonight. The word will get out very quickly as to how severe the situation is and the nation will respond appropriately.
Chris
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I don't know how much this board is willing/could/even should do to contribute to the recovery efforts in such an unprecedented event, but it seems that one of the primary needs right now is going to be shelter and temporary (maybe long-term temporary) housing for the uncountable displaced who cannot go home for weeks, months, or possibly ever. I know I could set up a guest room and help somebody. I don't know how many others might be able to take in people who have suddenly become homeless, but if there were some place to set up lists of people who could just offer temporary shelter and lodging and communication facilities and a few meals to individuals and families who have no place to go it seems this could go a very long way, not only to helping the helped, but to helping relieve the burden on the federal, state, and local agencies who are going to be completely overwhelmed.
If this should be in a different forum already, forgive me for the mis-post, and please shuffle me thereward.
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DebbiePSL
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I'm not sure how he will get there, he is a Fireman and I feel like some kind of arrangements have been made.I know the Red Cross is asking people to send money instead of supplies so I will help in that way, unfortunately I can't donate blood because I have MS, but I can give money
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The Force 2005
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If some of you who had not heard of this gut-wrenching story, here is a part of that interview from CNN:
A man in Biloxi told CNN affiliate WKRG-TV he believed his wife was killed after she was ripped from his grasp when their home split in half.
"I held her hand as tight as I could," the man said. "She told me, 'You can't hold me.' She told me to take care of the kids and the grandkids ... we ain't got nowhere to go. I'm lost. That's all I had."
Everytime I read that, my eyes fill up with tears.
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WhitherWeather
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where are the reports from other nations willing to come and assist those in need right now.
Nations, even ours, assist normally with funds and usually inadequate organized manpower. And governments are not the people they govern. It's individuals and individual initiative and involvement that will put shattered lives back together. As Margie said, we all need to be motivated as individuals by necessity to action, not wait for "nations." I don't mean this as critical of what you're saying; maybe you have a point. I just think it's time to ask ourselves what we are doing, not worry about what some nation is or isn't doing. And I'm going to get busy right now...
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JMII
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Plus I made the mistake of going to a friend's house and looking at the network TV news. We switched between ABC, CBS, and NBC, and guess what the hurricane was about? The superdome roof, two feet of flooding in the French Quarter, and the cost of your gasoline is going to go up. I was so shocked. I thought, this terrible, terrible thing has happened and no one in the country has any idea because it is invisible to the media. Then we turned on the public television channel and it was a thoughtful interview with the MEMA director (MS's EMA), Frank Latham I think, and it made my day to hear him say that as soon as the winds died down enough that it was possible, search and rescue operations would start. Just knowing that made me feel so much better.
The same thing happened during Andrew down here in southern FL. The national media coverage is not very good in situations like this because they don't have the local knowledge to understand what they are seeing. They are not familar with the roads, the bridges, the buildings and neighborhoods like people that live and work in the area are. In situations like this you need street by street infomation and the only place your going to get that is from the local media sources. Last night people were calling CNN and asking about returning to their homes in this parish or that parish and reporters on the scene had no idea what area they were talking about. They only know the big names: French Quarter, Burbon Street, Casinos river boats... ect.
The level of reporting will only go down from here. After they get the main story out, show the worst damage and some individual human intrests stories they will go back to "regular" news as people in the rest of the country can't relate to what has happend and will (sadly) grow tired of the story. However WE all know those gulf coast residents will be suffering for MONTHS to come during the clean up and rebuilding stages. Still today some 13 years later there are places where Andrew hit that show the scars.
Some people do understand what you are going thru... and you will be OK, hang in there help is on the way. My donation went the Red Cross last night and urge others to do the same.
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David 79 - Floyd 87 - Andrew 92 - Georges 98 - Frances 04 - Wilma 05 - Matthew 16 - Irma 17
Lost our St James City rental property to Ian 22
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The Force 2005,
1. Hurricanes undergo eyewall cycles as a natural part of their development. We don't know everything behind them other than that they occur and our conceptual/mathematical models say that they should occur. How often, exactly when, what the end result will be -- all things we don't know.
2. Storms do not always rapidly intensify after the completion of an eyewall replacement cycle. Generally, they weaken during the cycle and come back to their initial intensity afterward given the same underlying conditions. If those underlying conditions change, however, as they did quite drastically with -- dry air mixed out, approached the Loop Current -- then you can see further intensification, sometimes at a rapid pace. Other storms will weaken after an eyewall cycle due to land interaction or poorer environmental conditions.
3. Distance that the winds extend from the storm isn't related to the strength of each side of the system. The forward motion of the storm is going to lead to that right side being a decent bit stronger, whether near the center or far away, due to additive/subtractive effects on the right/left side of motion.
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lunkerhunter
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To clarify what you folks are saying or thinking of doing.....what I saw from Hurricanes Charlie, and Jeanne - individual efforts can hamper the organized efforts of FEMA, Red Cross etc. if you do not inquire as to what is needed and how you can help. They are the experts at this. the bad areas are inaccessible and are off limits. please stay out of the area and do not become another death or injury yourself. if you want help then contribute money to the disaster relief effort or call one of the organizations and ask how you can volunteer your time. many times people who started collections for the relieft efforts were collecting the wrong items that were not needed.
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Domino
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In regards to reporting internationally on ....I am currently in Manila, The Philippines. Yesterday's newspaper had a huge sat photo of on the front page. Today's...had no mention of the storm. I am curious to see what tomorrow's has. Ironic that the Philippines sits in a typhoon prone area...
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