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Area off the Southeast US Coast has a 10% to develop, either way will be wet in parts of the Southeast/NC this weekend. Beryl gone but not forgotten in Houston area where power outages still are widespread.
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Hurricane Fredrick 1979
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #56234 - Thu Sep 22 2005 03:57 AM

Look like that she took a jog to the SSW and now going more to the NW than WNW

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lunkerhunter
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Hurricane Fredrick 1979]
      #56237 - Thu Sep 22 2005 04:39 AM

convection has slowed

now


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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Hurricane Fredrick 1979]
      #56238 - Thu Sep 22 2005 04:47 AM

All but 3 of the dozen spaghetti models are in very close agreement as of 0600Z

http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/index.htm

The forecast is looking very good in its agreement but the forecasting bodes very ill for Texas.

With another month left until the historical season usually quiets down and still another until the official end; God only knows what is yet in store.

Could we take 10 or 15 or 25 more years of this?

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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Multi-Decadal Signal]
      #56239 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:01 AM

dry air intrusion?
eyewall replacement?
or colder water?

Water Vapor Loop


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Hurricane Fredrick 1979
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Multi-Decadal Signal]
      #56240 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:03 AM

The GFS is tring to develop something next mid week coming off the conveyor belt off Africa. So who knows 19 in the makings?

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lunkerhunter
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Hurricane Fredrick 1979]
      #56241 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:07 AM

track shifted East of Galveston.
now on Gilchrist.


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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: lunkerhunter]
      #56242 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:14 AM

that track may make a major difference for houston, but I hope everyone in Beaumont is on their way out of town!

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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: lunkerhunter]
      #56243 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:16 AM

bumping into a little shear?

shear


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lunkerhunter
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: lunkerhunter]
      #56244 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:22 AM

once inland Rita may stall over Northern Texas/Oklahoma/Arkansas.

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TAZMAN
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: lunkerhunter]
      #56245 - Thu Sep 22 2005 05:45 AM

What is it that make all storms eventually turn north ?? I understand what is keeping her to the west but uninhibited, it would be going north correct ? Is it a weather thing or an earth thing?

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Random Chaos
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: lunkerhunter]
      #56246 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:03 AM

It looks more like dry air than shear. Shear would have effected the eye, and that is still perfectly round.

Pressure is up to 902mb...that's still Katrina-level. The eye has shrunk to 18nm:

989
URNT12 KNHC 220942
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 22/09:12:20Z
B. 24 deg 55 min N
087 deg 55 min W
C. 700 mb 2245 m
D. NA kt
E. NA deg nm
F. 303 deg 134 kt
G. 228 deg 010 nm
H. 902 mb
I. 14 C/ 3068 m
J. 29 C/ 3057 m
K. 8 C/ NA
L. CLOSED WALL
M. C18
N. 12345/ 7
O. 0.02 / 3 nm
P. AF307 1618A Rita OB 18
MAX FL WIND 165 KT NE QUAD 05:34:00 Z
STADIUM EFFECT LIT BY MOONLIGHT AND BY LIGHTNING WITHIN EYEWALL


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Random Chaos
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Random Chaos]
      #56248 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:14 AM

Look at the size of the forcast windfield at landfall!

http://www.nlmoc.navy.mil/center/Tropical/wtnt02.gif


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Random Chaos
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Random Chaos]
      #56250 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:25 AM

IR is looking a bit more ragged with every frame. It's lost most of the deep convection.

While there appears to be dry air trying to get in on the western side, it is no where far enough in to affect the deep convection. I'd say we're seeing the results of either cooler water or internal dynamics.

Amazingly the eye still seems perfectly round and is extremely well defined. We are down to a 15 degree difference for the eye-eyewall temps...but the eye itself is still an amazingly high 29C. That the eyewall has pushed itself to 14C is the more interesting part - what's causing it to warm so rapidly?

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Hugh
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Random Chaos]
      #56252 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:41 AM

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Amazingly the eye still seems perfectly round and is extremely well defined. We are down to a 15 degree difference for the eye-eyewall temps...but the eye itself is still an amazingly high 29C. That the eyewall has pushed itself to 14C is the more interesting part - what's causing it to warm so rapidly?





Sheer and dry air, but Rita doesn't appear to care a whole lot. My concern is how will whatever is causing the deteriorration fo the west side of the storm effect movement from here on out. The models have shifted to near the TX/LA border already, and the official forecast has nearly done the same. New Orleans is now on the east edge of the cone, and the storm still appears to be moving east of the black line. Everyone in TX/LA needs to watch this monster.

I never thought I'd be pleased to wake up to a hurricane with a 902 pressure and 175 mph winds.... but it could have gotten stronger overnight and it didn't, thankfully.


Weather Channel reporter just said there are reports that Rita's storm surge could be as high as FIFTY FEET!!!!!!! :?:

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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Random Chaos]
      #56253 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:43 AM

Clark mentions in his blog last night that Rita was undergoing an ERC. This could be what is "slowing her down" so to speak. That would also account for a ragged IR appearance. So it will be interesting to see what happens later on, I think there is a chance she might deepen once again.

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Hugh
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: ohioaninmiss]
      #56254 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:47 AM

Quote:

Clark mentions in his blog last night that Rita was undergoing an ERC. This could be what is "slowing her down" so to speak. That would also account for a ragged IR appearance. So it will be interesting to see what happens later on, I think there is a chance she might deepen once again.




I thought about that (shudder).... but the inner core appears to have remained intact so far. The eye is still as perfect as ever. If it's an ERC... with absolutely no decrease in wind speed (at least at 5am ET, the winds were still reported as 175)... when it's done, what will the winds be? 185? 200? 225? :?:

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Random Chaos
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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: ohioaninmiss]
      #56255 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:51 AM

Yeah - that would make sense. I didn't see any sign of an ERC in either recon or IR, but an ERC would explain the weakening and the shrinking eye (barely...but still).

An ERC at this stage isn't good - too early to weaken her much. Should have waited another 12 hours to guarentee weekening.


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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Random Chaos]
      #56256 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:55 AM

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Yeah - that would make sense. I didn't see any sign of an ERC in either recon or IR, but an ERC would explain the weakening and the shrinking eye (barely...but still).
An ERC at this stage isn't good - too early to weaken her much. Should have waited another 12 hours to guarentee weekening.




No kidding. It's also lopsided for an ERC. Looking at the WV loop, dry air is more likely, but I don't like that either because of the direction of outflow on WV... and the slowdown in movement that seems to be happening.

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Re: Rita Chugs Westward with 175MPH Winds [Re: Hugh]
      #56257 - Thu Sep 22 2005 06:57 AM

Has anyone looked closely at the model tracks? They show Rita stalling not long after landfall, and a few even show her possibly recurving back out into the gulf.

One other thing to watch...

http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/


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Ormond Suzie
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Steering currents [Re: Random Chaos]
      #56258 - Thu Sep 22 2005 07:14 AM

Does anyone have a good link handy for steering currents map? I thought I'd bookmarked one from the last 24 hours, but can't find it.

The high and low pressure areas seem to have changed significantly since I went to bed.

Edit by Ormond Suzie: Okay, I found the site I was remembering - steering winds

Edited by Ormond Suzie (Thu Sep 22 2005 07:31 AM)


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