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Colleen A.
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Re: 06Z NOGAPS [Re: Ed G]
      #60011 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:07 PM

Thanks for that link, Ed! I had that a while ago and lost it! It does show that the GFDL and GFS have shift ever so slightly northward.
Will be interesting to see the 11 am update...or will it?

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Re: Wilma [Re: Tazmanian93]
      #60012 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:07 PM

I agree,I think she is starting the more northern movement.Well,we have got another day to prepare because of the slow down,no excuses not to be prepared for this one.

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Colleen A.
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Re: Movement [Re: doug]
      #60013 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:11 PM

Doug...you have me a little confused, LOL...are you saying that the NHC's track will verify OR the NOGAPS? Or somewhere in between?
I think I understand what you are saying, but I just want to be positive.
Thanks, my friend!
Colleen

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Tazmanian93
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Re: Movement [Re: Colleen A.]
      #60014 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:16 PM

Gonna be a tough turn without significant interaction w/ land at this point, been riding 18 for a while now.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/marti/2005_TWENTY-FOUR/webManager/last24hrs.gif

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Re: Movement [Re: Colleen A.]
      #60015 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:17 PM

I suspect that very little will change on the 11:00am advisory forecast track wise. If I recall, the track was already to the left of guidence. Any north move would only move the models closer to the track. This is a sit and stayer. Better to just levae it where it is until there is a more definate sign that it needs to change.

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emackl
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Re: Wilma [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #60016 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:19 PM

Looks to me like she's making a beeline for the next NHC forcast mark. Kudos to NHC. They really know their stuff. I hope the local mets are watching.

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Re: Wilma [Re: Fletch]
      #60017 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:22 PM

Wilma seems to have slowed a bit, but that's often hard to tell from watching a few satellite frames. The sharper NW turn that had been forecasted, and I honestly was expecting to happen, still hasn't occured. Looking at the WV loops I think Wilma makes it even a bit further west before she starts on a true NW heading. The 1st trough pushing through is a bit north than where I thought it would be, and it's still a bit out to the west. Even if Wilma slows down I think she continues a movement a little more west than north. In the short term I think this means she comes in contact with the Yucatan Peninsula further south than what the NHC is forecasting right now. For 36hrs from about 8am/18th to 8pm/19th she tracked just about twice as far west as she did north. Over the last 12hrs she's moved even further west than that.

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Re: Movement [Re: Colleen A.]
      #60018 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:22 PM

Im' sticking with the experts, but I can see why the NOGAPS pulls this north...

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Re: Wilma [Re: AgentB]
      #60019 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:24 PM

Def has slowed, check out the link I sent to Colleen, def see a more south contact w/ Yuc

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Re: Wilma [Re: emackl]
      #60020 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:24 PM

Is it safe to say that Louisiana is completely out of any possible paths for Wilma?

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Re: 06Z NOGAPS [Re: Colleen A.]
      #60021 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:24 PM

Charley was forecast for Tampa, and went to Punta Gorda instead. Wouldn't it be strangely ironic if Wilma did the inverse of Charley?

(Nobody get in a tissy. I am NOT wishcasting or seeing anything different from anyone else, I am just trying to keep it a little more "lite" until the 3 day cone arrives in Florida. After losing a 20'x60' pole barn, 2 sheds, 8 trees, and 11 days without power last year, I am more than ready to get serious when it is necessary.)

Oh, and on the lack of power note, at least the highs next week are forecast to be in the very low 80s, and the possible lack of A/C this year won't be as bad as last year. (The silver lining on the tornado cloud.)


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Re: Wilma a Category 4 Hurricane Moving West Northwest [Re: THROWIN]
      #60022 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:29 PM

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Here is a web cam from my resort in Cancun (Royal Sands). You can watch Wilma approach until power goes out.

http://www.royalresorts.com/webcam.stm




Thanks, I'm now recording the Royal Sands Cam here as well. I'll up the rate it records when the storm gets closer.


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Re: Wilma a Category 4 Hurricane Moving West Northwest [Re: THROWIN]
      #60023 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:31 PM

Thank you so much for this link. It's amazing to watch "long distance" as the storm approaches!

Suzanne


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Re: 06Z NOGAPS [Re: DrewC]
      #60024 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:36 PM

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Charley was forecast for Tampa, and went to Punta Gorda instead. Wouldn't it be strangely ironic if Wilma did the inverse of Charley?






I live in Tampa...and I've wondered the same thing myself. They keep saying it's only a matter of time before Tampa takes a direct hit. I was hoping that it would be AFTER I closed on the house I just sold and moved out, but it looks like I might not get that wish. Thankfully I don't live near the water, but it's the wind I worry about.


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Re: Wilma [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #60025 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:40 PM

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I agree,I think she is starting the more northern movement.Well,we have got another day to prepare because of the slow down,no excuses not to be prepared for this one.




Where is the northward movement? I am watching the GOES IR loop and she still looks 280-290 to me. In fact, if she maintained that course for another 36-48 hours, seems like the eye would barely get back out over water on the other side of the YP, if at all. I know the NHC predicts the start of a more NW, then N, movement, but so far I don't think it has materialized.

Its been interesting reading the posts on here as to what it means if the storm stays further west and therefore south of the forecast track once (and actually "if") the weakness and then trough picks it up. Those focusing on the westward component seem to conclude that it means that the storm will tend to the left side of the forecast track once it begins a run at Florida, therefore resulting in a course more north, i.e. Tampa. Those noting that the western course also means the storm would be further south than forecast once it gets picked up, means it would track on the right side of the cone, possibly the Keys area.

Who is right?


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Re: Wilma [Re: Tazmanian93]
      #60026 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:41 PM

12Z NOGAPS (only runs 72 hours out) thinks your right also. It looks to have it plow right into the Yuc with a much more easterly exit then before. It's getting interesting now. One minute I think Fl is going to get hit hard then the next minute there's hope!

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Re: Wilma a Category 4 Hurricane Moving West Northwest [Re: doctormegreen]
      #60027 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:41 PM

You are welcome.
I am due to vacation there in a couple months (hopefully) . It pains me to see this live!


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Re: Wilma [Re: ftlaudbob]
      #60028 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:49 PM

I still see the scenario that I posited the other day unfolding, just a day delayed (heh, its the weather!)

The WV imagery clearly shows the erosion of the ridge, and the low that was over Colorado is now moving somewhat SOUTH of east. This is a change from yesterday, when there were models progging a miss by the trough pickup and that first low tracking up near Ohio - that clearly is not happening.

It looks like my original scenario is good - the original impulse gets near the gulf; the trough has more of an E/W component, then the second impulse comes down and "bends" it to a more N/S axis, picking up the storm.

I'd be wary, as I said before, anywhere from the Keys to the Tampa area or perhaps a bit north of there. Until the connection is made a good prognostication of exactly where she's going won't be able to be made, which is reflected in the size of the cone currently. Given the WV imagery and pattern evolution I do think most of the models are too far south - the cone looks good, but the "black line" within it is, IMHO, biased too far southward given the evolving pattern.

It is possible that BOTH that and a Yucatan hit happens too. The storm could hit the Cancun/Cozumel area and "bounce off" - that would be diasterous for them, although it might be better for Florida, since the interaction would tend to take some of the steam out of this beast......


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Max Mayfield Live [Re: Genesis]
      #60029 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:52 PM

Hi not sure if any of you are interested but at 1130 am this morning Max Mayfield is taking questions live according to wwwtampabays10.com

http://tampabay10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=20214

there is also going to be live streaming video....
Also Gov Bush is scheduled to make a appearance at 1pm...
They are having a meeting at 1115am for the plans of evacuations for Hillsborough and Pinellas county.

Thought id let everyone know....take care and stay safe and keep us updated you all are doing a wonderful job....

Becky

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Edited by FlaMommy (Thu Oct 20 2005 02:55 PM)


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Re: Wilma [Re: Genesis]
      #60030 - Thu Oct 20 2005 02:56 PM

Genesis, I definitely see where you are coming from. I actually thought you were pretty accurate in your prognosis yesterday so it's interesting to see it come to pass. I think that by the 5:00 discussion (if not before) the NHC track will move north.

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