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Londovir
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Re: Wilma Moving Northwest [Re: emackl]
      #60355 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:23 AM

Looking at that GFDL model data, I have to be reading something wrong.

If I'm reading it right, it's predicting a motion of 315/1.8kt @ 54hrs, 196/2.5kt @ 60hrs, 42/3.5kt @ 66hrs, 340/2.9kt @ 72hrs, and 85/4.1kt @ 78hrs.

That is a fun little circular loop, isn't it? I'm assuming that's a good portion of the stall pattern they are expecting over the Yucatan Peninsula (and the coords are more to the left edge of the peninsula, correct?)

These models are really having a hard time getting the pattern of motion down. I would hazard a guess and say that this storm is going to be one of the hardest ones this year to nail down a pattern for.

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Re: Wilma Moving Northwest [Re: Hugh]
      #60356 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:27 AM

I am at the point where I think i am just going to ignore any model past the next 36 hours. No consitency from run to run. Flopping around like a flish out of water. Can't even be sure it hits the Yucatan right now. This thing may find a way to avoid it. Will have to see what the morning holds. Maybe some more consistency will start overnight. As of right now, I think a gut feel can be as accurate as a model. Just too complex a situation.

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Re: Wilma Moving Northwest [Re: weatherwatcher2]
      #60357 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:28 AM

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Storm Hunter
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Re: Wilma Moving Northwest [Re: Londovir]
      #60358 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:29 AM

18z runs map

http://euler.atmos.colostate.edu/~vigh/guidance/atlantic/early1.png

look at the GFDL (grey dark line) just off of tip of cuba and southwest of key west in 120 hrs... maybe yesterday's "fluke" of the GFDL was on to something..... meaning Wilma is going to be around a little longer... and get stuck somewhat down near cancun for a few days!

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Edited by Storm Hunter (Fri Oct 21 2005 12:34 AM)


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MichaelA
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Re: Wilma Moving Northwest [Re: Rasvar]
      #60359 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:35 AM

Quote:

I think a gut feel can be as accurate as a model.




Gut feeling? Mine is telling me not to relax one bit.

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WXMAN RICHIE
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Local WPB Mets. take [Re: MichaelA]
      #60362 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:41 AM

Tropical Weather Discussion on Wilma
Palm Beach County Central/South Florida
800 pm EDT Thursday October 20, 2005

Latest sat loop at 8pm....

Use this for supplemental Information along with the official forecast.

I am going by the guidance of the ETA or NAM model since the upper air dataseems to be initialized well enough I think better then the GFS. The upper
air analysis. Right now Wilma is beginning to get influenced by the upper windstream flow and dry air into this system. The first appearance of raggedness
is just showing up. The ETA is vigorous with the upper trough that will engulf Wilma the next 24-36 hrs therefore she will weaken and also it appears the
southern cluster model of tracks across the extreme south florida and the Keys is the more likely candidate as far as future track of Wilma. Wilma is actually
moving NNW at about 5 to 7 mph and has just reached a blocking effect or wall to the west of it. The water vapor loop clearly shows very fast upper wind flow over the Gulf of Mexico and the GFS does not in my review of the model handle well enough on the speeds and intensity of the upper flow. The trough feature aloft at upper levels will pick up Wilma and push it East to Northeast while captured into a strong upper trough.

The later timing of Wilma more than likely will mean an even weaker system by the time it makes a right beeline shot just underneath our area across the Keys and the Straits or extreme south Florida. Wilma will be piack up speed Saturday and I would not hold my guard down and delay too much on the forecast track
and speed since she can pick up speed again once she is caught into the fast westerlies and the weakening commencing between 19 to 20 north latitude which it is just beginning to occur, she will open up and expose her eye to the dry air aloft and upper winds entering into in it's own circulation.! We should see tropical moisture opening up and streaming this way Friday and continue into the weekend as mid-upper trough now just beginning to engulf Wilma this will make her appear as an egg shape feature already happening now and also bring moisture streaming up here normally that you would see on any intense enough east side of a trough. Storngest winds tropical force is Sunday and Monday am then racing away..we must not be let down
as Wilma could pick up speed again Saturday night...the slow dowm may be temporary Friday thru Saturday PM picking up Sunday early am in speed and a more ENE than NE motion.!

More to follow...later.

Look just to the Northwest quad of the circulation and you can see raggedness starting more egg shape evoulution gradually talking place on Wilma...beginning signs of upper windstream flowing into Wilma and also DRY AIR MARKED AS COPPER BROWN ENGULFING INTO Wilma! The transition is beginning to take place she i sgoing away from perfect environmental conditions and entering in a more hostile enviroment..wind speeds aloft of 40-50kts is very significant ahead of where she is moving next day into this weekend...slow weakening next 24hrs followed by a rapid weakening possible Saturday afternoon into Sunday..

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Re: Local WPB Mets. take [Re: WXMAN RICHIE]
      #60363 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:46 AM

This thing is driving everyone down here crazy!I am going to listen to music for awhile and try and forget about hurricanes for at least 30 mins.The stress level is through the roof now.

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Movement [Re: WXMAN RICHIE]
      #60364 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:49 AM

Is it just me, or is the Cancun Radar and the Sat's showing pure NW motion from Noon EST - 6PM, followed by a more NNW bend (around 305-310 degrees)?

Edited by Doombot! (Fri Oct 21 2005 12:50 AM)


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Re: Local WPB Mets. take [Re: WXMAN RICHIE]
      #60365 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:51 AM

To illustrate the craziness over Wilma...the 8pm NHC Discussion seems to say the opposite..

...DISCUSSION...

THE GULF OF MEXICO...
CONVECTION FROM HURRICANE Wilma IS OVER W CUBA AND THE SE GULF
OF MEXICO AS MENTIONED ABOVE. BROKEN TO OVERCAST HIGH CLOUD
OUTFLOW N OF THE CENTER IS OVER THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...THE SE
GULF...AND FLORIDA...FROM 20N-29N E OF 90W. THE WESTERN GULF W
OF 90W HAS MOSTLY FAIR SKIES AND LIGHT WINDS. IN THE UPPER
LEVELS...BROAD ANTICYCLONIC FLOW IS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO.
STRONG SUBSIDENCE IS W OF 90W. SIGNIFICANT MOISTURE IS E OF 90W
DUE TO Wilma. EXPECT CONVECTION TO COVER THE E GULF E OF 92W
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS DUE TO Wilma .

Its madness....madness!

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Re: Local WPB Mets. take [Re: stormchazer]
      #60366 - Fri Oct 21 2005 12:54 AM

cancun radar link.... mirror site

http://www.passco.com/cancun.htm

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Weather [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #60369 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:04 AM

Okay. I know that everyone is awaiting Wilma's next move. Whenever that may come.

Please make sure that you are ready to leave if you are asked to evacuate.

My thinking is that while Wilma is puttering around the Caribbean at this time. Some little something from somewhere...might ( strong emphasis on might ) pick her up and move her along before any of the models could indicate the move.

So make sure you are ready to go.
Who said Weather is an exact Science?
It changes from moment to moment. Just like everything else.
The point is, to be prepared for the changes, and be Ready To Move!

Look at a large Lower 48 Satellite loop once in a while and try and get the feel of what NHC and the models are showing you.

Otherwise, You might get caught looking at Wilma out of your front window!

I am not a MET here. Just an observer

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.


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harmlc.ath.cx
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Re: Local WPB Mets. take [Re: Storm Hunter]
      #60370 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:07 AM

The eye appears to be more open and better organized. Here's an infrared satellite image from Floater.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-ir4-loop.html


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Re: Weather [Re: danielw]
      #60371 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:07 AM

My sentiments exactly. No one can let down their guard on this one. A slight deviation from the official forecast or a sudden, unexpected wobble could mean a great deal. Be ready.

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Re: Weather [Re: danielw]
      #60373 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:16 AM

I tend to agree with Danielw

While I think the general consensus tracking is most likely accurate, which means a direct run over my home, I only question the timeline, which seems conservative.

In watching all of this, I think it may only brush the Yucatan and get picked up, even if ever so slightly, and begin making its way eastward.

I think the size, intensity, speed to intensity, radical pressure changes and a few other factors have kind of put the timing question in the models in a bit of chaos. There is no previous input of a storm like this, so it is difficult for the models to calculate...never seen it before...never done it before.

By no means do I consider myself an expert, just a lot of observation


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NHC Track Forecasts [Re: engicedave]
      #60375 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:25 AM

I put found these links to give you an idea of what the 5PM Track Plots from Today, Yesterday and Tuesday look like.

5PM EDT Today
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/graphics/AT24/22.AL2405W5.GIF

5PM EDT Yesterday
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/graphics/AT24/18.AL2405W5.GIF

5PM EDT Tuesday
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/graphics/AT24/13.AL2405W5.GIF

Edited by danielw (Fri Oct 21 2005 01:37 AM)


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komi
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Re: NHC Track Forecasts [Re: danielw]
      #60376 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:26 AM

Jim Cantore on Key Largo ..

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Re: NHC Track Forecasts [Re: danielw]
      #60377 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:29 AM

you have tuesday and wednesdays up. not todays. just lettin you know.

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Re: NHC Track Forecasts [Re: komi]
      #60378 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:30 AM

Buoy 42056 at 19.87N, 85.06W reported a 1-minute wind speed of 66 knots (hurricane force) last hour. Max wave heights were 32.8 feet.

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Chatroom [Re: dolfinatic]
      #60379 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:31 AM

sorry for a short post, but as a reminder, the chatroom is open, feel free to drop by and give your thoughts and speculation and ask questions. On your left click on chat and come on in and stay a little while...

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Re: Wilma Moving Northwest [Re: Hugh]
      #60381 - Fri Oct 21 2005 01:35 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Have ya'll seen the 18 GFDL? It has the storm at 25 N in 120 hours! I have not seen it on a map and quite frankly I'm too tired to plot the coords but I'm thinking this is one crazy steered storm. Maybe FL will never see it. Let's hope anyway!
Here's the link for those who don't have it,
http://www.sfwmd.gov/org/omd/ops/weather/gfdl.txt




25N 81.9W (the 120hr position on GFDL) is just NW of Key West. 27.1N 80.6W six hours later is on shore west of Palm Beach. Incredible.

ETA: 2345z IR image has the makings of a nice distinct eye. It's not quite there yet, but it looks much more impressive than 2315z image.





For what it's worth:
00:15z position: 19.3N ; 85.8W
18Z GFDL at 0z: 18.9N; 86.1W ...or, bias of -.4 S and +.3 W.

That calculates to about 31naut miles SSW of the actual position at 00Z, which, may not seem like much but 31naut miles has a way of meaning something down the road.

Having said that, using the edge of a piece of paper and the degrees, Wilma appeas as though "IF" she maintained the current path her W eyewall would graze the Island and she'd cross the very NE tip of the Yucatan.

Edited by typhoon_tip (Fri Oct 21 2005 01:37 AM)


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