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Bye, bye, Delta!
      #64011 - Sun Nov 27 2005 08:46 AM

I found this interesting article and if it is not off topic I would like to ask a question with it being 3 days from the official end of the Hurricane Season.

This article refers to the differing opinions on Global warming and weather patterns. Is there any possibility that the intensity of the storms are being measured largely by impact on populated areas and dollars rather than scientific intensity? (No, every storm is categorized by measured or scientifically estimated intensity) We were given Delta's statistics of a 982 mb low. Was that a surface low? (Yes) What level of the atmosphere was this 982mb found? (At the surface - or very close to it) What would its impact have been on a populated area? ( This question really can't be answered, because too many other factors are involved. At its peak, Delta was a very strong tropical storm. How fast was it moving when it hit your hypothetical populated area? Did it dump 3 inches of rain or 30 inches? Was the terrain in this area elevated or flat?)

I asked more than one question but, amid the hype and at the season's end(hopefully) those of us who do not thoroughly understand hurricane and global warming theories would like to know if this storm season is really going to end this year. (Yes, it will end - and probably very soon. Every season does because the ocean cools and the westerlies dip south and eliminate the upper atmospheric conditions that are favorable for development. While it is true that storms have been recorded in every month, they are rare events from December through April.)

(post moved to proper Forum, short answers provided, and some off-topic material removed)

Edited by Ed Dunham (Sun Nov 27 2005 09:20 AM)

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Re: Bye, bye, Delta! [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #64018 - Sun Nov 27 2005 12:43 PM

Thanks for the answers I really was not sure where it belonged after I got through writing it.

God commands. Laymen guess. Scientists record.

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Re: Bye, bye, Delta! [Re: GuppieGrouper]
      #64024 - Sun Nov 27 2005 02:25 PM

They have a link to the ACE indicies for each storm, and then a tally, at the ncdc website... and there is a graph you may like to see. Lemme check to see if I can find it.

EDIT: Here:

and here:

We had a lot of minimal tropical storms (gert, lee, tammy, etc), but at the same time some insane heavy hitters (emily, Rita, Wilma, etc) that will invariably skew the data a bit.


Edited by Lysis (Sun Nov 27 2005 02:49 PM)

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Re: Bye, bye, Delta! [Re: Lysis]
      #64034 - Sun Nov 27 2005 07:01 PM

There have been tropical storms in January-March? I personally have never heard it and I thought, was it Subtropical storm Ana a few years back in April, that was the earliest forming cyclone in the atlantic on record?

Andrew 1992, Irene 1999, Katrina 2005, Wilma 2005

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Re: Bye, bye, Delta! [Re: CaneTrackerInSoFl]
      #64035 - Sun Nov 27 2005 08:07 PM

odd systems:
Hurricane Alice 2, December 1954-January 1955. Hit the Caribbean on January 2.
Subtropical Storm, January 1978. Formed on January 18.
Tropical Storm 1, February 1952-- crossed southern Florida on February 3 .
Hurricane 1, March 1908--moved through the Caribbean, crossed the islands on March 8.
TS Ana, April 2003. Formed on April 20.
Subtropical Storm, April 1992. Formed on April 21.

Tropical systems are rare outside of June-November, and very rare outside of May-December, but have been known to occur when they aren't supposed to.

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