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MikeC |
![]() Admin Reged: Sun Posts: 4490 Loc: Orlando, FL
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Recon aircraft is just now taking off from Saint Croix for another peek into Irene
Random Chaos
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Weather Analyst ![]() Reged: Sat Posts: 1024 Loc: Maryland
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Irene keeps firing up deep convection over the core. Every time it starts to die down, new deep convection appears on IR, showing that the storm is still quite healthy even with the dry air entrainment from the affects of the mountains of Hispanola. This entrainment is very clear and will take some time to work out; probably will not fully work out until the storm is further from the mountains. We may see a lapse in storm growth until then, giving us at least several more hours of respite from additional strengthening. I also included a microwave pass from Modis (via NRL) which shows the outer convective band skirting around the south side of Hispanola in order to avoid the land and mountains. The eye is clearly disrupted, as seen in that pass. While several hours old, the storm has not changed much in IR appearance since then. What one can see in the attached Water Vapor image is how the mountains are causing dry air ingestion into the storm. South of the mountains is a line of moderate to deep convection spiraling around to the right and north of the storm just outside the dry air stream caused by the land interaction. The storm is able to generate plenty of convection, but the land is keeping the system weaker than it would otherwise be. The 00Z model runs are out, and converge more closely on a hit somewhere in the Carolinas. However, I want to bring special attention to the 00Z GFS run because it highlights why no one should stop paying attention to the storm. There is no guarentee that the 00Z GFS run is accurate, but it's a warning of what could be. That run shows the track strafing Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina into a North Carolina landfall, across the southern Chesapeake Bay, back out to sea, strafing the New Jersey coast, then back inland over Long Island and Massachusetts, possibly reemerging off the coast only to again make landfall in Maine. The potential exists that the entire Atlantic Seaboard will have significant effect. This is only what one model run shows, but no one should ignore this storm. 00Z GFS: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfstc2.cg...;hour=Animation Dry air interaction (Water Vapor): ![]() Mountain effects (Microwave via NRL): ![]() Edited by Random Chaos (Tue Aug 23 2011 07:19 AM)
OrlandoDan
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Weather Master ![]() Reged: Mon Posts: 433 Loc: Longwood, FL
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I am concerned that the interaction with the high mountains of the DR are keeping Irene a bit weaker than the models anticipated. This may result in a more westerly component of movement with this weaker storm. -------------------- Keith (1988), Charley (2004), Frances (2004) , Jeanne (2004), Fay (2008), Mathew (2016), Irma (2017), Dorian (2019) Personal Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KFLLONGW67
GuppieGrouper
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Weather Master Reged: Fri Posts: 596 Loc: Polk County, Florida
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The models have had trouble all along with the storm until this new data came in. I think what comes from the new data should be more of what you need to know.I know its scary having a large storm bearing down and that is why we have to stay alert until it is past our latitude. -------------------- God commands. Laymen guess. Scientists record.
Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser
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Weather Hobbyist Reged: Wed Posts: 90 Loc: Deltona, FL
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Help me to uderstand please. If she weakens from the mountains and you stated a more westerly, does that mean it will take longer for her to turn to the NW? -------------------- I survived Jeanne, Charley, and Frances
MikeC |
![]() Admin Reged: Sun Posts: 4490 Loc: Orlando, FL
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Quote: The storm actually went a bit right (north) of the 5AM track, this increases the chance it will stay further east. I really don't see any reason it would get closer to Florida than about 150 miles east. Irene is pulling away from Hispaniola now.
MikeC |
![]() Admin Reged: Sun Posts: 4490 Loc: Orlando, FL
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As a note, the current thinking is similar (but not exactly the same) to Hurricane Floyd (1999) (this link superimposes Floyd's track with Irene) where it stayed east of Florida at a similar distance, although Irene may be a bit further east than Floyd.
ralphfl
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Weather Master Reged: Mon Posts: 435
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The models have shifted even more to the east.The data was put in the models of this 100mph storm it would have to drop down to a TS to even consider going west. Watch it but look at the data it is clear to see what this storm is going to do. Edited by ralphfl (Tue Aug 23 2011 09:13 AM)
MikeC |
![]() Admin Reged: Sun Posts: 4490 Loc: Orlando, FL
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The US water vapor shows the trough moving southward near GA/SC line that is expected to eventually jog Irene more northward. (Although it's spawning an interesting convection area east of Jax) This appears to be stronger than the models were forecasting, which increases the chance the storm will move more north and east sooner, and may only clip the Outer Banks. Still a bit too early to be sure though. This along with the other long water vapor image may be helpful if you are trying to gauge Irene's motions by satellite.
JMII
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Weather Master ![]() Reged: Thu Posts: 477 Loc: Margate, Florida
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Looking at Irene this AM you can see a slightly elongated shape (N to S) as the western side (and the SW) can't get its act together. The mountains are clearly limiting her potential, thus why the NHC is forecasting a Cat 3 once she is in open water. The models have finally gotten into alignment and agree Irene will stay off the coast of FL. The front pushing off the east coast of the US is pretty strong, I wonder if long term Irene will shift even further east and make landfall on the outer banks of NC or miss them entirely? Once she gains strength she'll be pulled north. Strange to see a storm this strong not have a defined eye yet, but once again the disruption to the SW is keeping the core from really wrapping up. As for S FL I would expect minimal Tropical Storm force winds on Thursday, the hurricane force winds are still isolated very close to the system's core. -------------------- South FL Native... experienced many tropical systems, but actually had to put up the panels for: David ('79) - Floyd ('87) - Andrew ('92) - Georges ('98) - Frances ('04) - Wilma ('05) - Matthew ('16) - Irma ('17)
WeatherNut
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Weather Master Reged: Wed Posts: 412 Loc: Atlanta, GA
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Looks like the latest recon has arrived at the center and the lowest pressure so far is 976.4 so not much of a drop since the last advisory -------------------- Born into Cleo (64)...been stuck on em ever since
scottsvb
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Weather Master Reged: Mon Posts: 1184 Loc: fl
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S Florida will not get anything close to TS force winds unless somehow the system moves at least 100 miles further west. There might be some gusts near that in a squall or 2 that comes inland along the east coast of florida..but the core of the winds will remain offshore.
ralphfl
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Weather Master Reged: Mon Posts: 435
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The whole state of Florida is now out of the code but for a very small part above MIA but in reality the whole state is clear of the cone as of now.
Firebug814
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Registered User Reged: Wed Posts: 8
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Just curious, the coordinates that were just given are more of a wsw aren't they? Am I reading that wrong?
JMII
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Weather Master ![]() Reged: Thu Posts: 477 Loc: Margate, Florida
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Quote: With the adjustment of the cone further east yet again I agree. However I am just wondering how big she'll expand to once in open water. If the weather (rain/wind) on the NE side ever wraps around to the SW this will be a large system. The NHC tends to over estimate the size (and strength) of the wind field so your most likely correct: the east coast of FL will not see sustained TS winds. The winds in Pine Cay (T&C Islands) are gusting to 40mph from the N right now and the pressure is dropping. Should be interesting to keep tabs on this location today and into tonight. The center of Irene is still 100 miles away but should pass within 40 miles of this location around 8PM tonight. -------------------- South FL Native... experienced many tropical systems, but actually had to put up the panels for: David ('79) - Floyd ('87) - Andrew ('92) - Georges ('98) - Frances ('04) - Wilma ('05) - Matthew ('16) - Irma ('17)
javlin
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Weather Master Reged: Wed Posts: 410 Loc: Biloxi,MS
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You read it right just a blip in the scheme of things,wobble.Now if it was to happen all day then concern but the models have a good handle on this one.
scottsvb
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Weather Master Reged: Mon Posts: 1184 Loc: fl
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Irene should move more west today..but it wont mean much cause she was suppose to be moving west the past few days. Reason she will move west is cause of the trough digging down off the SE U.S. and backing into florida carving a thin ridge to extend SW. It usually happens with strong hurricanes just before a turn into a trough. Think of holding your hand and making a fist.... (that is your ridge) Then take your index finger and point it at a 225dg angle .... that is a narrow ridge that gets more heat infront of the trough as it digs. It's kinda my own explanation of west jogs infront of the pull northward. Anyways you should continue to see a more west movement today maybe around 280dg then the turn tonight-Weds more NW up the bahama chain.
Ed in Va
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Weather Master Reged: Fri Posts: 489 Loc:
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What is your assessment of the current forecast...accurate? -------------------- Survived Carol and Edna '54 in Maine. Guess this kind of dates me!
scottsvb
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Weather Master Reged: Mon Posts: 1184 Loc: fl
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Ed... I think if you live on the coast of Virginia,NC,SC you should probably be ready to move inland sometime on Weds afternoon... NHC will know where or if it will make landfall after Weds 12Z model runs come out.
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