Current Radar or Satellite Image

Flhurricane.com - Central Florida Hurricane Center - Tracking Storms since 1995Hurricanes Without the Hype! Since 1995


Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 78 (Milton) , Major: 78 (Milton) Florida - Any: 78 (Milton) Major: 78 (Milton)
 


Archives 2010s >> 2014 News Talkbacks

Pages: 1
cieldumort
Moderator


Reged:
Posts: 2497
Loc: Austin, Tx
Persistent Invest 93L Remains on the Cusp
      #95150 - Mon Jul 28 2014 02:25 AM

7:30 PM EDT 31 July 2014 Update


SAL (Saharan Air Layer) has been blown and drawn into the very center of 93L's circulation today. This could easily be the kiss of death for just about most any other system, but it is these tenacious tropical lows that one should not write off so quickly, and as such, NHC still gives 70% odds for development within the next 48 hours. After that, it is not entirely clear whether or not an upper-level low to 93L's northwest, which is currently in the process of retrograding and digging southwest, may do more to increase westerly shear while it is around the islands, or perhaps help induce and increase outflow.

Ciel

5:00 AM EDT 31 July 2014 Update
Despite being nearly decapitated by modest shear and some dry air entrainment, the low designated Invest 93L has continued walking a thin line from being upgradable, to being forgettable. Not surprisingly, yesterday NHC adjusted their depression forecast to a coin flip: 50/50.

This morning 93L finds itself back in a slightly better environment to finally seal the deal, and NHC has teams at the ready tentatively scheduled to check it out later today, or tonight.

Bottom line, more factors than not today support a potential resumption of development, and given 93L's still low latitude owing to its starts and fits, interests in the islands should take note. Near tropical storm force winds are already occurring, and only a small increase in organization could warrant watches and warnings, with a direct impact now more possible.

Ciel

9:15 PM EDT 28 July 2014 Update


While the last update from NHC was merely an hour ago, giving 93L a 50% chance of development within the next 48 hours (and 70% within 5 days), the system has quickly become better organized throughout the late afternoon and evening, and now tonight it appears that a Tropical Depression could already be forming.

A very timely Scatterometer pass from about 7:42 PM EDT clearly shows that while still on the mild side, surface winds were closing off directly underneath a coalescing sphere of deep convection, a tell-tale sign of tropical cyclogenesis.

Ciel

Original Entry



After a fairly quiet couple of weeks in the Atlantic, things may be about to change.

The modest tropical wave that rolled off the coast of Africa a few days ago and that has been gradually picking up some steam has become sufficiently organized to be given an Invest tag for tracking: 93L.

As of 2AM EDT July 28, Invest 93L was located roughly 550 miles southwest of the Cape Verde Islands in the central Atlantic, moving west around 10-15MPH.

93L is in a favorable environment for further organization, and it looks probable that it will become a numbered tropical cyclone within the next few days, with movement expected to the west or west-northwest.

Ciel





Edited by MikeC (Thu Jul 31 2014 11:20 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
danielwAdministrator
Moderator


Reged:
Posts: 3527
Loc: Hattiesburg,MS (31.3N 89.3W)
Re: Invest 93L Organizing Impressively Tonight [Re: cieldumort]
      #95160 - Wed Jul 30 2014 05:57 AM

Current JSL and Funktop enhancements show very limited if any signs of Thunderstorms in or around 93L.
First visible satellite photo is half IR half VIS but is does show the system maintaining structure and low to mid level organization.

Moving westward at 10-15 knots. I question whether 93L is running on the periphery of the Total Precipitable Water envelope that it originated from. Seems to be lagging the pouch of the wave. Well behind the crest of the wave and near the trailing wave trough.
My perception at the current time.

Weak waves have been known to transverse the Lower Lesser Antilles mountains. Wait and see is the forecast now.

Edited by danielw (Wed Jul 30 2014 06:04 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
craigm
Storm Tracker


Reged:
Posts: 327
Loc: Palm City, Florida
Re: Invest 93L Organizing Impressively Tonight [Re: danielw]
      #95161 - Wed Jul 30 2014 09:47 AM

Lot of Dry air building in around 93L. Not sure if it can survive this environment.
http://midatlanticwx.com/hw3/hw3.php?con...e=wv&anim=2

--------------------
Why I'm here:
Weather hobbyist


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
danielwAdministrator
Moderator


Reged:
Posts: 3527
Loc: Hattiesburg,MS (31.3N 89.3W)
Invest 93L Organizing [Re: craigm]
      #95164 - Thu Jul 31 2014 06:34 AM

24 hours after my last post and 93L has regrouped with Thunderstorms in the Center and cirrus outflow 'fingers' scattered around the periphery of the system.

Southern half of the system has built up to the Mid levels, but the northern half is suffering through the SAL or dry air, or both.

This system still has a rather large envelope of tropical moisture and winds. Anything goes at this point.

Should the system maintain a static storm state today I would expect that Tropical Storm Watches COULD be issued for the Lower Lesser Antilles by Friday Morning. That's my two cents at this point and based on 93L maintaining or improving it's overall picture. No Pun intended.

JSL Enhancement showing location of thunderstorms.


Thin cirrus outflow fingers trying to establish position over the storm. Indicative of very light upper level winds and very little horizontal wind shear.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
cieldumort
Moderator


Reged:
Posts: 2497
Loc: Austin, Tx
Re: Persistent Invest 93L Remains on the Cusp [Re: cieldumort]
      #95167 - Thu Jul 31 2014 01:53 PM

Recon is now entering 93L from the northwest just in time to find the system undergoing another serious round of northerly shear and dry air entrainment.

As of 1:15PM EDT, the entire circulation is now exposed, with barely one or two showers hanging on to the south of the LLC. While the air to the north, northwest, and northeast of the well-defined circulation is not the very driest ever, there is just so much of it, that 93L's repeated attempts to become viable are being repeatedly blown away.

With NHC odds of development back up to 70% as of 8AM EDT, this may be one of the trickiest Invests we have seen in some time. The degree to which "could be" and "should be" systems have already been struggling with the abundance of dry air and shear this year harkens back to 2006, which ended up busting seasonal forecasts well to the downside. For seasonal forecasts in 2014, most are already on the low side.

Some Pros & Cons for 93L's 48-hour development chances:

Pro: Well defined surface circulation
Pro: Pockets of winds already near or at Tropical Storm force
Pro: Persistence
Pro: Positive MJO Pulse
Pro: Gradually increasing SSTs going forward
Pro: Some decrease in shear already underway, albeit unevenly

Con: Shear is still moderate, overall
Con: Well above average levels of dry air remain throughout the basin
Con: "Graveyard" ahead.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
cieldumort
Moderator


Reged:
Posts: 2497
Loc: Austin, Tx
Re: Persistent Invest 93L Remains on the Cusp [Re: cieldumort]
      #95168 - Thu Jul 31 2014 05:42 PM

Vortex message from Recon a little while ago confirms a closed surface circulation with maximum winds of about 40-45 MPH. If 93L doesn't open up into nothing more than a vigorous wave, which it may very well end up doing if convection doesn't begin building back up, and soon, then odds favor Tropical Storm Bertha being declared prior to its passage through or by the Antilles.

Some of the key stats from the Vortex
Time of Center Fix: 31st day of the month at 19:59:50Z
Center Fix Location: 417 miles (671 km) to the ESE (103°) from Bridgetown, Barbados
Maximum Surface Wind: 40kts (~ 46.0mph)
Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1007mb (29.74 inHg) - Extrapolated
Maximum Flight Level Temp Outside Eye: 23°C (73°F)
Maximum Flight Level Temp Inside Eye: 25°C (77°F)

In addition to the WC-130 which penetrated the center multiple times, the Gulfstream (G-IV) has been sampling the air all around 93L today. Combined, the data from both of these missions will be fed into the models and coming runs should be much better for it.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
danielwAdministrator
Moderator


Reged:
Posts: 3527
Loc: Hattiesburg,MS (31.3N 89.3W)
Re: Persistent Invest 93L Remains on the Cusp [Re: cieldumort]
      #95169 - Thu Jul 31 2014 10:58 PM

93L Pros and Cons... great idea.

We are now in Dmin (diurnal minimum with respect to storm strength and development) and 93L is barely definable on water vapor loops.
Although Recon sampled Tropical Storm force winds earlier it is hard to tell where those winds might be right now.

Another overnight wait to see what "wannabe Bertha 93L" does tonight.

Edit: Update- I checked the airport observations in the Lesser Antilles and almost all of the stations are reporting clouds below 2000 feet and light winds below 10 knots. All current barometric pressure reports are above 1014mb or roughly 29.95 inches. Normal

93L is now Tropical Storm Bertha. See the new thread.

Edited by danielw (Thu Jul 31 2014 11:19 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1



Extra information
0 registered and 33 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 4872

Rate this topic

Jump to

Note: This is NOT an official page. It is run by weather hobbyists and should not be used as a replacement for official sources. 
CFHC's main servers are currently located at
Hostdime.com in Orlando, FL.
Image Server Network thanks to Mike Potts and Amazon Web Services. If you have static file hosting space that allows dns aliasing contact us to help out! Some Maps Provided by:
Great thanks to all who donated and everyone who uses the site as well. Site designed for 800x600+ resolution
When in doubt, take the word of the National Hurricane Center