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Re: It looks like la nina developing
      Wed May 05 2004 01:06 PM

So I re-upped my subscription with Accuweather for the storm season. Joe B is on vacation so the only stuff I could get from his site was a review of the 2003 season (relative to his landfall intensity forecast which topped out in the 60's) and some preliminary comments as to what he was looking at for 2004. His hurricane analogs from April are 1944, 1966, 1978 and 1995.

When looking at the maps, 1995 was mostly a fish spinner and Gulf of Mexico year (Dean in TX, Opal and Erin in NW FL, Gabrielle/Allison/Roxanne in Mexico, Jerry in SE FL, and all those storms curving from about 65 west and eastward in the Western Atlantic).
Map of 1995 Storms

1978 featured only 2 weak US landfalls - Amelia in South Texas and Bess in Western Louisiana. The rest were fish spinners in the Atlantic, most curving between 55 and 75 west with the exception of Hope which formed just east of the St. Augustine, FL coast). Cora hit the Southern Yucatan and Debra hit the Vera Cruz area.
Map of 1978 Hurricane Season

The 1966 Season was primarily a fish spinner year with storms forming primarily south of 15N and curving between 60 and 78W. Alma formed off the CA Coast and moved northward through Cuba and eventually hit around Apalachacola and finally the Massachusetts Cape. Faith began as a CV Storm, looped in the Bahams, clipped the FL Keys and eventually landfalled in Northern Mexico. Hollie formed in the BOC and made landfall on the Central Mexican Coast.
1966 Hurricane Season Map

Finally, 1944 was a strong East Coast and Gulf of Mexico year. The vortexes of the parabolas at curvature were very broad. I'm assuming there was a pretty strong Bermuda High with its western influence just off the US East Coast. The Tampa Bay area was hit with a Category 1 storm, Southern NC took a TD/TS hit, CT got a Cat 1 hit, Coastal New England took 3 brushes (including the CT hit), SE La took a TS hit, and Mexico took 2 or 3 TS-Cat 1 hits.
1944 Hurricane Map

As far as the summer weather patterns, Joe is looking at 1952, 1954, 1995 and 1998. These mostly featured below normal rainfall in the SE with strong spring reversals of the SOI. He is forecasting the heat (+3 above normal) to be centered from about Western Tennessee to eastern Colorado and centered over Arkansas and Missouri. Most of those years also featured direr and warmer than average temps for all the SE States.

A few clues that Joe did give was that his landfall intensity forecast this year is factoring around 50. 37 is the normal for the US Mainland and Canadian Maritimes. Last year was around 63 or so. What also promises to be different this year (assuming no El Nino) is that the trofs (yeah, another trof split year ahead) will be much closer to the East Coast with pieces going back into the Gulf of Mexico. Joe expects the trofs to be progressive this year rather than backing west.

Joe's early take on the season is one of the 5 or 6 pieces to my forecast puzzle which I hope to have ready by late in the month.

Peace.

Steve

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* First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms CFHCAdministrator Wed May 05 2004 01:06 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms javlin   Thu May 06 2004 12:00 AM
. * * It's LI Phil Javlin LI Phil   Thu May 06 2004 09:42 AM
. * * Re: It's LI Phil Javlin Steve Hirschb   Thu May 06 2004 12:24 PM
. * * http://chat.hexbot.com/ *DELETED* Chat.Hexbot.com   Wed Apr 28 2004 05:36 PM
. * * Re: http://chat.hexbot.com/ Hurricane   Wed Apr 28 2004 09:30 PM
. * * S.Atl summercyclone   Thu Apr 29 2004 01:13 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms cyclone_head   Wed Apr 07 2004 09:24 AM
. * * TSR April Forecast LI Phil   Wed Apr 07 2004 03:28 PM
. * * a tad more won't hurt HanKFranK   Thu Apr 08 2004 09:57 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms cyclone_head   Mon Mar 29 2004 08:37 AM
. * * "catarina" HanKFranK   Mon Mar 29 2004 01:40 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms Hurric   Sat Mar 27 2004 07:12 AM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms summercyclone   Sat Mar 27 2004 11:01 AM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms HanKFranK   Sat Mar 27 2004 01:36 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms Hurricane   Sun Mar 28 2004 03:06 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms NNE   Sun Mar 28 2004 05:28 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms Hurricane   Mon Mar 29 2004 03:11 AM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms summercyclone   Thu Apr 08 2004 11:15 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms JustMe   Thu Apr 08 2004 11:34 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms JustMe   Thu Apr 08 2004 11:36 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms Rich B   Fri Apr 09 2004 04:48 PM
. * * Yo Steve   Sat Apr 24 2004 02:34 AM
. * * Re: Another S. Atlantic Hurricane?? summercyclone   Sat Apr 24 2004 09:12 PM
. * * Re: Another S. Atlantic Hurricane?? summercyclone   Sat Apr 24 2004 09:30 PM
. * * Re: Another S. Atlantic Hurricane??/la nina cometh? HanKFranK   Sat Apr 24 2004 11:11 PM
. * * Hurricane season 2004 around the corner Cycloneye   Mon Apr 26 2004 06:23 PM
. * * hybrids and rejects HanKFranK   Mon Apr 26 2004 11:59 PM
. * * Re: hybrids and rejects Rabbit   Thu Apr 29 2004 05:06 PM
. * * Re: hybrids and rejects HanKFranK   Thu Apr 29 2004 07:32 PM
. * * It looks like la nina developing Cycloneye   Sun May 02 2004 07:53 PM
. * * Re: It looks like la nina developing Steve   Sun May 02 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Re: It looks like la nina developing Steve   Wed May 05 2004 01:06 PM
. * * Re: It looks like la nina developing summercyclone   Thu May 06 2004 05:30 PM
. * * Faith vs. Inez recmod   Thu May 06 2004 09:07 PM
. * * Re: Faith vs. Inez Steve-unplugged   Thu May 06 2004 09:30 PM
. * * Re: Faith vs. Inez LI Phil   Thu May 06 2004 09:35 PM
. * * Re: Faith vs. Inez JustMe   Fri May 07 2004 12:05 PM
. * * Re: Faith vs. Inez Spike   Fri May 07 2004 12:43 PM
. * * subtropics HanKFranK   Fri May 07 2004 01:42 PM
. * * Re: subtropics Ed DunhamAdministrator   Mon May 10 2004 10:14 PM
. * * Re: subtropics Steve-UP   Mon May 10 2004 10:23 PM
. * * Re: subtropics Ed DunhamAdministrator   Mon May 10 2004 11:11 PM
. * * TSR Forecast LI Phil   Tue May 11 2004 10:17 AM
. * * Very Cool Site LI Phil   Tue May 11 2004 04:32 PM
. * * Outer Banks Site Now Active On Hurricane Alley LI Phil   Wed May 12 2004 10:09 AM
. * * Hybrid hurricane in 2000 Rabbit   Wed May 12 2004 01:46 PM
. * * Re: Hybrid hurricane in 2000 Steve   Wed May 12 2004 09:23 PM
. * * Hey Steve LI Phil   Thu May 13 2004 10:28 AM
. * * Re: Hey Steve Steve   Thu May 13 2004 10:31 AM
. * * LOL LI Phil   Thu May 13 2004 10:37 AM
. * * One Last Thing... LI Phil   Thu May 13 2004 10:54 AM
. * * Tropical Storm Grace-1997 Rabbit   Thu May 13 2004 01:40 PM
. * * Tropical Storm Grace-1997 Rabbit   Thu May 13 2004 01:41 PM
. * * More 2004 Hurricane Predictions LI Phil   Thu May 13 2004 02:52 PM
. * * Re: More 2004 Hurricane Predictions javlin   Thu May 13 2004 04:16 PM
. * * Re: More 2004 Hurricane Predictions Steve   Fri May 14 2004 08:14 AM
. * * 2004 Hurricane Predictions LI Phil   Fri May 14 2004 10:13 AM
. * * Re: 2004 Hurricane Predictions stuart dave   Sat May 15 2004 11:36 AM
. * * medium range HanKFranK   Fri May 14 2004 11:38 AM
. * * Re: medium range Steve   Fri May 14 2004 01:35 PM
. * * West African Sahel... LI Phil   Fri May 14 2004 04:33 PM
. * * Re: West African Sahel... summercyclone   Fri May 14 2004 06:14 PM
. * * Re: West African Sahel... LI Phil   Fri May 14 2004 08:41 PM
. * * Re: West African Sahel... HanKFranK   Sat May 15 2004 11:23 AM
. * * Re: West African Sahel... Steve   Sat May 15 2004 12:02 PM
. * * MJO, ENSO, SSTs, etc. LI Phil   Sat May 15 2004 07:35 PM
. * * Re: MJO, ENSO, SSTs, etc. Steve   Sat May 15 2004 11:41 PM
. * * Re: MJO, ENSO, SSTs, etc. HanKFranK   Sun May 16 2004 11:48 PM
. * * Re: West African Sahel... Steve   Fri May 14 2004 05:29 PM
. * * Thanks, Steve LI Phil   Fri May 14 2004 05:33 PM
. * * ANOTHER S. ATL storm threatens Brazil summercyclone   Fri May 07 2004 03:06 PM
. * * Re: ANOTHER S. ATL storm threatens Brazil LI Phil   Fri May 07 2004 03:37 PM
. * * Re: ANOTHER S. ATL storm threatens Brazil Steve   Fri May 07 2004 04:49 PM
. * * Poll=When and where Alex will form Cycloneye   Fri May 07 2004 06:42 PM
. * * Re: Poll=When and where Alex will form LI Phil   Fri May 07 2004 09:39 PM
. * * Re: Poll=When and where Alex will form HanKFranK   Sat May 08 2004 04:02 PM
. * * Re: Poll=When and where Alex will form Steve Hirschberg   Sun May 09 2004 11:36 AM
. * * nah HanKFranK   Sun May 09 2004 10:22 PM
. * * Re: nah Steve-up   Mon May 10 2004 12:53 AM
. * * Re: Steve LI Phil   Mon May 10 2004 10:36 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve   Mon May 10 2004 12:19 PM
. * * Re: Steve LI Phil   Mon May 10 2004 12:44 PM
. * * Phil Cycloneye   Mon May 10 2004 03:22 PM
. * * check out SW carib and yucatan lois   Mon May 10 2004 04:01 PM
. * * Re: check out SW carib and yucatan Cycloneye   Mon May 10 2004 04:28 PM
. * * Re: check out SW carib and yucatan LI Phil   Mon May 10 2004 05:02 PM
. * * Re: Steve GaryC   Mon May 10 2004 12:47 PM
. * * Re: It looks like la nina developing LI Phil   Wed May 05 2004 02:58 PM
. * * my hurricane forecast Rabbit   Wed May 05 2004 03:49 PM
. * * Re: my hurricane forecast LI Phil   Wed May 05 2004 04:32 PM
. * * Tropical Cyclone Summaries Ed DunhamAdministrator   Tue Apr 27 2004 06:46 PM
. * * tristan de cunha storm HanKFranK   Sat Apr 24 2004 11:27 PM
. * * central atlantic HanKFranK   Fri Apr 09 2004 06:02 PM
. * * Re: central atlantic Steve Hirsch   Fri Apr 09 2004 11:54 PM
. * * Re: central atlantic JustMe   Sat Apr 10 2004 12:49 AM
. * * Warm or cool? Or both? Kevin   Sat Apr 10 2004 09:36 AM
. * * Suspect Area? Jamie   Sun Apr 11 2004 04:13 PM
. * * UKMET shows central atlantic suspect area Cycloneye   Mon Apr 12 2004 07:10 PM
. * * Re: UKMET shows central atlantic suspect area Rich B   Tue Apr 13 2004 06:27 AM
. * * Re: UKMET shows central atlantic suspect area JoshK   Wed Apr 14 2004 07:09 PM
. * * Re: UKMET shows central atlantic suspect area Rich B   Thu Apr 15 2004 10:00 AM
. * * Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? Hurricane   Sat Apr 17 2004 04:08 PM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? summercyclone   Sat Apr 17 2004 07:55 PM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? Hurricane   Sat Apr 17 2004 09:29 PM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? summercyclone   Mon Apr 19 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? MoparMitch   Mon Apr 19 2004 12:53 PM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? Rabbit   Mon Apr 19 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? Ed DunhamAdministrator   Mon Apr 19 2004 08:14 PM
. * * Re: Possible tropical cyclone tryed to form again in the south atlantic? Rabbit   Wed Apr 21 2004 03:34 PM
. * * Rabbit's EASTPAC satellite photo LI Phil   Wed Apr 21 2004 05:41 PM
. * * Re: Rabbit's EASTPAC satellite photo Rabbit   Wed Apr 21 2004 08:05 PM
. * * Re: Rabbit's EASTPAC satellite photo LI Phil   Thu Apr 22 2004 10:41 AM
. * * Re: Rabbit's EASTPAC satellite photo summercyclone   Thu Apr 22 2004 12:30 PM
. * * Re: Rabbit's EASTPAC satellite photo Brad in Miami   Thu Apr 22 2004 01:56 PM
. * * Ekaka and Halli summercyclone   Thu Apr 22 2004 12:46 PM
. * * Re: Ekaka and Halli summercyclone   Thu Apr 22 2004 12:48 PM
. * * Re: Ekeka and Hali LI Phil   Thu Apr 22 2004 03:21 PM
. * * NHC fluke or ignorance? Rabbit   Fri Apr 23 2004 03:01 AM
. * * Re: NHC fluke or ignorance? LI Phil   Fri Apr 23 2004 10:22 AM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms NNE   Tue Mar 30 2004 09:05 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms MoparMitch   Wed Mar 31 2004 12:24 PM
. * * Gray's Forcast April 2.... MoparMitch   Fri Apr 02 2004 01:08 PM
. * * Re: Gray's Forcast April 2.... Steve   Fri Apr 02 2004 01:36 PM
. * * Re: Gray's Forcast April 2.... LI Phil   Mon Apr 05 2004 10:38 AM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms friend   Mon Mar 29 2004 07:21 AM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms troy   Fri Mar 26 2004 05:55 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms NNE   Fri Mar 26 2004 07:42 PM
. * * Re: First Known South Atlantic Tropical Cyclone Forms Summercyclone   Fri Mar 26 2004 08:18 PM

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