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Invest 94L just northeast of the ABC islands in the Caribbean moving west, 20% development chance. Another area near the Cabo Verde islands has a 20% chance to develop over the next 7 days.
Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 301 (Idalia) , Major: 301 (Idalia) Florida - Any: 301 (Idalia) Major: 301 (Idalia)
 


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carrots and hand grenades
      Wed Aug 04 2004 08:20 PM

either bonnie is shy or a tropical wave impostor has had us all running around screaming. but of course take a look at the satelite shots and note that the general appearance of the system has remained steadily good, and is somewhat better this evening even.. and that the wave is sharp to a hairpin and only open due to forward motion.. and that south america is inducing drag on the low level component of the wave.. yeah, it's still on.
rabbit will either get a carrot... or the holy hand grenade of antioch. as for me, i've got the options from last night narrowed down a tad. the system is keeping south and far less likely to pull that extreme recurvature if it gets it's act going.. the possibilities as i see them now are as follows:
1) system plows westward and never develops. dull, emphatic, familiar. 20%
2) system develops or fades in and out, continues generally westward, ditches in central america early next week. 20%
3) system decelerates, develops and hangs at the base of the trough over the weekend, is drawn to higher latitude, then continues west as the ridge comes back. 40%
4) system rapidly intensifies, recurves from incredibly low latitude for august.. essentially bonnie is a streetwalker and the gfs is a digital pimp. 10%
i'm still of the mind that the system is going to be a tropical storm, and am thinking of it as a potential player down the road for some place in the SE united states. my ideas are contingent on the centroid feature of the disturbance near 13/64 becoming the future core. the south american coast is inducing drag on the surface system, probably causing an e-w orientation to develop on the formerly n-s wave axis.. i'm fairly sure it will cause a low to close off. the axis appears to be forward tilted now.. that is my evidence. even though upwelling on the southern fringe of the caribbean is traditionally a choking mechanism for storms, in this case the ill effect is likely mitigated by the drag effect of land. the big problem with this idea is the 700-850mb level flow, which will keep stacking from happening easily.. good, strong convection near the centroid will be needed to give it a start. lots of contengencies, but i still think bonnie is around the corner.
nuff of that. alex has a 5.0 rating, and that was earlier. 00z-ish dvorak should be even higher.. i think alex is major as we speak. very good presentation, system has gone well beyond what i thought reasonable. globals now feeding the energy into a frontal system, though i think higher than average north atlantic ssts and current intensity will keep the system tropical through early saturday, and discrete from mid-latitude weather right up to the fringes of europe.
anyhow 92L behaving pretty much as expected. some convection persists, structure not decaying much.. and the system is getting closer to the solid support ssts. some shear ahead, but it isn't racing in the deep easterly flow, so it should manage. potential player, currently near 16/38. some of the energy is getting to the north, but shear up there is too robust to allow organization.
not much else in the way of present potential. some clutter behind alex under residual ridging and with decent convergence.. will be in the sweet spot of baroclinic deepening in a couple days, but going north/northeast if anything. minor concern regardless.
the t.d. 2/91L forecast challenge is still up til 10PM, even though the system is 'open'. it isn't as open as it would need to be for all bets to be off. there was an issue with the forecast times i'll go clarify over on the forum now..
HF 0020z05august

Edited by HanKFranK (Wed Aug 04 2004 08:22 PM)

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* Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches MikeCAdministrator Wed Aug 04 2004 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches cyclone_head   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:36 AM
. * * TD #2 ?? Beach   Wed Aug 04 2004 08:55 AM
. * * Re: TD #2 ?? James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:12 AM
. * * Re: TD #2 ?? danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:34 AM
. * * Re: TD #2 ?? Anonymous   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:17 AM
. * * Re: TD #2 ?? James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:29 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches doug   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:11 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:40 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:47 PM
. * * Think td2 looks pretty good for a TD bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 03:01 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches javlin   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:26 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches cyclone_head   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:58 PM
. * * good post :) bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:36 PM
. * * Re: good post :) James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:38 PM
. * * Re: good post :) Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:45 PM
. * * Re: good post :) Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:46 PM
. * * Re: good post :) James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:09 PM
. * * Re: good post :) hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:10 PM
. * * Hatteras is getting hit hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:13 PM
. * * Re: Hatteras is getting hit Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:17 PM
. * * Re: Hatteras is getting hit Ed DunhamAdministrator   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:41 PM
. * * 2PM Position Estimate Ed DunhamAdministrator   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:12 PM
. * * Re: 2PM Position Estimate Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:28 PM
. * * TD #2 James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:18 PM
. * * 17:45 T's LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:19 PM
. * * Re: 17:45 T's James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:22 PM
. * * Going on the record now... LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:28 PM
. * * Re: Going on the record now... BillD   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:38 PM
. * * Re: Going on the record now... ClarkE   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:56 PM
. * * Re: Going on the record now... MikeCAdministrator   Tue Aug 03 2004 03:02 PM
. * * Re: Going on the record now... Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 03:43 PM
. * * agree on speed Mike bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 03:04 PM
. * * Re: Going on the record now... James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:35 PM
. * * Effects Of Hurricane Alex Being Felt Along N.C. Coast Larry   Tue Aug 03 2004 03:50 PM
. * * no Bonnie Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:40 PM
. * * Re: no Bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 03:40 PM
. * * Re: no Bonnie Steve hirsch.   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:01 PM
. * * NRL troubles Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:17 PM
. * * forecast Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:33 PM
. * * Re: forecast summercyclone   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:38 PM
. * * alex 5 pm hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:45 PM
. * * Re: Don't forget the Gulf summercyclone   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:47 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:29 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:25 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles ClarkE   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:43 PM
. * * NHC typo Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:36 PM
. * * Re: NHC typo summercyclone   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:39 PM
. * * Re: NHC typo Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:42 PM
. * * Re: NHC typo cyclone_head   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:52 PM
. * * Re: NHC typo Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:54 PM
. * * Re: TD2 Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:53 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles summercyclone   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:36 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles javlin   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:56 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:05 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles LONNY307   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:32 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles Rich B   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:50 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:54 PM
. * * ill say it again bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 06:22 PM
. * * Re: ill say it again Bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 07:40 PM
. * * Re: ill say it again Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 08:29 PM
. * * along came bonnie? HanKFranK   Tue Aug 03 2004 08:26 PM
. * * Re: along came bonnie? Steve Hirschbe.   Tue Aug 03 2004 09:27 PM
. * * hank frank LoisCane   Tue Aug 03 2004 09:14 PM
. * * Re: hank frank Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 09:30 PM
. * * Alex in the record books... Steve   Tue Aug 03 2004 09:58 PM
. * * Re: Alex in the record books... Steve   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:57 PM
. * * Truth is......... LoisCane   Tue Aug 03 2004 10:15 PM
. * * My Thoughts on TD2 Ed DunhamAdministrator   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:39 PM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:15 AM
. * * Still there! James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:41 AM
. * * Re: Still there! Old Sailor   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Still there! James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:08 AM
. * * Re: Still there! rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:12 AM
. * * Re: Still there! danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:14 AM
. * * Re: Still there! doug   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:22 AM
. * * nope..there has never been discussion on shear bobbi   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:44 AM
. * * Alex looks good James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:48 AM
. * * alex looking real cute bobbi   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:30 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:10 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:13 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:28 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:34 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good rickonboat   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:42 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good cyclone_head   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:12 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good rickonboat   Wed Aug 04 2004 02:04 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good joepub1   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:37 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 02:11 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good cyclone_head   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:09 PM
. * * TD2 LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 02:55 PM
. * * Re: TD2 bobbi   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:18 PM
. * * Alex Strengthens Again James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 03:17 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens Again hurricane_run   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:01 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens Again LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 03:37 PM
. * * Re: "TD 2" summercyclone   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:02 PM
. * * TD2 jth   Wed Aug 04 2004 03:30 PM
. * * Re: TD2 javlin   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:06 PM
. * * Re: TD2 LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:14 PM
. * * Re: TD2 James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:20 PM
. * * Beautiful LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:39 PM
. * * Re: Give Rabbit the carrot! summercyclone   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:43 PM
. * * Re: Give Rabbit the carrot! LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 05:00 PM
. * * for now.. it's done. bobbi   Wed Aug 04 2004 05:08 PM
. * * Re: for now.. it's done. LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 05:13 PM
. * * historical similarities... bobbi   Wed Aug 04 2004 05:37 PM
. * * Devils advocate Anonymous   Wed Aug 04 2004 06:26 PM
. * * Re: Devils advocate BillD   Wed Aug 04 2004 06:48 PM
. * * Comedy Shop LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 07:28 PM
. * * Re: Comedy Shop BillD   Wed Aug 04 2004 07:43 PM
. * * carrots and hand grenades HanKFranK   Wed Aug 04 2004 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Comedy Shop LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Give Rabbit the carrot! James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 05:07 PM
. * * Alex hurricane_run   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:53 PM
. * * TD #2 - RIP James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:43 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:53 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good Anonymous   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:24 PM
. * * Re: Alex looks good Rich B   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:49 PM
. * * HF's TD2 Challenge LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:41 AM
. * * Re: HF's TD2 Challenge Tropics Guy   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:40 PM
. * * Re: HF's TD2 Challenge LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:43 PM
. * * Re: HF's TD2 Challenge Tropics Guy   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:52 PM
. * * Re: HF's TD2 Challenge joepub1   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:07 PM
. * * Re: Still there! Old Sailor   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:12 AM
. * * Re: Still there! James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:16 AM
. * * Re: NHC Thoughts on Bonnie danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:41 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 doug   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:38 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean weather danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:53 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 javlin   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:51 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 Joe   Wed Aug 04 2004 02:05 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 02:43 AM
. * * Re: Antilles Weather danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 03:22 AM
. * * Re: Antilles Weather joepub1   Wed Aug 04 2004 03:51 AM
. * * No Bonnie Yet James88   Wed Aug 04 2004 04:52 AM
. * * Re: No Bonnie Yet danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 07:02 AM
. * * Re: No Bonnie Yet danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 07:19 AM
. * * Re: No Bonnie Yet jth   Wed Aug 04 2004 08:34 AM
. * * Re: Make your own maps danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 08:27 AM
. * * Re: Antilles Weather Anonymous   Wed Aug 04 2004 03:45 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:58 PM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 ticka1   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:24 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 01:06 AM
. * * challenge HanKFranK   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:44 AM
. * * buckle down limeys HanKFranK   Wed Aug 04 2004 12:54 AM
. * * Re: My Thoughts on TD2 Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:44 PM
. * * Re: Alex in the record books... LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 10:03 PM
. * * Re: along came bonnie? Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 08:51 PM
. * * Re: along came bonnie? Tropics Guy   Tue Aug 03 2004 08:45 PM
. * * Re: along came bonnie? Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 08:38 PM
. * * Re: TD 2 still with us---5pm discussion summercyclone   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:58 PM
. * * Re: 120 mph vs. 102 at Hatteras Village Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:04 PM
. * * TD2 Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Wrong on TD2 LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:03 PM
. * * Re: Wrong on TD2 BillD   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:49 PM
. * * Re: Wrong on TD2 Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 05:06 PM
. * * Re: NRL troubles Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 04:36 PM
. * * thank you phil.. bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:30 PM
. * * Re: thank you phil.. LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:32 PM
. * * Re: Hatteras is getting hit James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Hatteras is getting hit doug   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:24 PM
. * * Re: Hatteras is getting hit Old Sailor   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:50 PM
. * * Video of Alex LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:55 PM
. * * Re: Video of Alex James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:03 PM
. * * Re: Video of Alex hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:59 PM
. * * This close LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:31 PM
. * * Re: This close BillD   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:47 PM
. * * Re: This close James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:41 PM
. * * Re: This close Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:42 PM
. * * Re: This close James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:47 PM
. * * Re: This close hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:57 PM
. * * when a storm is this close that the eye wall is over land.. bobbi   Tue Aug 03 2004 02:20 PM
. * * Re: Hatteras is getting hit hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 01:20 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches Steve hirsch.   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:36 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 10:53 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches SirCane   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Cat 2 Alex hurricane_run   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:30 AM
. * * C Hatteras getting the worst of it Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:35 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches Anonymous   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:19 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches LI Phil   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:25 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches Cycloneye   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:23 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches James88   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:35 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 2 Forms, Cat 2 Hurricane Alex Approaches joepub1   Tue Aug 03 2004 11:47 AM
. * * CATEGORY THREE ALEX?? Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:14 PM
. * * Re: CATEGORY THREE ALEX?? Rabbit   Tue Aug 03 2004 12:22 PM

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