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      Thu Aug 05 2004 08:27 PM

rabbit is not the most qualified among us to declare things over. he may be right after all... but i haven't heard the stuttering pig just yet. 91L/td2 does look like caca, outflow boundaries and such properly noted, but it is also refiring a good bit and sliding into the right part of the TUTT (southern extent of which is going to split anyway W) and into a region below a shortwave that should split overhead.. there is plenty of opportunity for upper air evacuation. the evidence of a very sharp wave is vaguer than yesterday (thanks a lot upper SWerlies), as the system is also entering an area of mid-level diffluence (precipice of the atlantic ridge which will be flattened out to the north). the profile of the entire disturbance is yet confused, and i'm not sure which part will continue onward. it hasn't worked yet, but now i'm reckoning the system will try to reorganize in this area of weaker steering and diverging upper air flow near jamaica over the next day or two. if it gets further west without development it's opportunities are more limited, and some of the wave energy will get into the gulf where a log jam related to what the big shortwave leaves will be loitering. the chance of development continues, thus the nhc outlook comments and continuing interest, but it hasn't shown a great deal of initiative thus far.
anyway, 40% on it redeveloping tomorrow near 17/72--either out with the shortwave quick or hang on it's belly like a remora until reaching it's desired release point and coming to annoy us. 40% on it ambling wnw, maintaining and remaining a development threat out to 72 hours, closer to the gulf. 20% that rabbit's incessant declaration that it is dying dead or never was will win the day.
the varmint has been restating the old discussion about early-season stuff as well.. i'd still give props to a transient tropical storm in late may and a depression of likewise nature in late july off the northeast (after all, alex seemed to have done alright out there). i won't go as far as the varmint, or as far as clarkE on the issue... minding that clarkE keeps quiet on most things and only says stuff that is well qualified or important.
glad i gave some props to 92L last night, cause it is looking like it will be doing some developing. i'm expecting it to struggle up to a weak tropical cyclone status (depression or just above) and work westward to wnw over the next 48 hours or so. maybe late in the weekend it will start really developing... somewhere near the islands. there should be solid mid-level ridging keeping it on a mostly westward track, but hard to say much beyond that. shear is a variable that could keep it from developing or keep it slow-growing.. but you know which side of the issue i'm on.
new wave coming off, with weaker-than-earlier (of course) model support but presumably fair chances of doing something if that low develops just off the itcz in the next couple of days. keep-in-mind, nothing more as of now.
alex departing after a thankfully mostly offshore performance.
heard the el nino chorus earlier today, will add my voice: *WHAT STEVE SAYS*.
i'm going to ride td2/91L until there's absolutely no chance left.. come crow what may. 92L i like and am fairly confident on. how quickly the sharp trough descending into the east hands control back to the ridge will be a very telling thing to watch.. the chance exists for it to be one of those late-summer/falls where the east coast is in a perpetual trough and activity stays out where we can watch it from a safe distance. i'm head-scratching over that one.
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* Alex Strengthens while TD#2 Finally Falls Apart MikeCAdministrator Thu Aug 05 2004 08:27 PM
. * * Good weekend to do yardwork?? cyclone_head   Sat Aug 07 2004 08:10 AM
. * * Administrative Post - Clarifications Ed DunhamAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Administrative Post - Clarifications rickonboat   Fri Aug 06 2004 08:42 AM
. * * Clarifications-well put Rick bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:23 AM
. * * Re: Clarifications-well put Rick cyclone_head   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:50 AM
. * * Re: Clarifications-well put Rick Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:00 AM
. * * model runs bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:21 AM
. * * Re: model runs Hardcore   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:27 AM
. * * Re: Clarifications-well put Rick andy1tom   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:34 AM
. * * still looking for Storm 2 K Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:51 AM
. * * Re: still looking for Storm 2 K Steve   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:03 AM
. * * My $.02 LI Phil   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:32 AM
. * * Re: My $.02 James88   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:41 AM
. * * "Now Lets Talk About the Weather" Bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:37 AM
. * * oh my gosh.. look bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:40 AM
. * * Re: oh my gosh.. look summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:32 AM
. * * locating lows bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:51 AM
. * * Re: locating lows Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 12:25 PM
. * * Re: locating lows Steve   Fri Aug 06 2004 12:35 PM
. * * Re: locating lows summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:51 PM
. * * Re: locating lows Ed in Va   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Low? summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:59 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Low? Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 08:25 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Low? LI Phil   Fri Aug 06 2004 05:01 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Low? summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Low? Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 05:09 PM
. * * IWIC 5:00 Forecast LI Phil   Fri Aug 06 2004 05:32 PM
. * * Re: IWIC 5:00 Forecast LoisCane   Fri Aug 06 2004 06:21 PM
. * * shorter/pointed HanKFranK   Fri Aug 06 2004 07:03 PM
. * * Clarifying the Clarification Ed DunhamAdministrator   Fri Aug 06 2004 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Clarifying the Clarification Steve Hirscshb.   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:12 PM
. * * Thanks ED LI Phil   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Thanks ED GuppieGrouper   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:12 PM
. * * Re: Thanks ED BillD   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:41 PM
. * * Re: Off east coast Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 05:48 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future doug   Fri Aug 06 2004 01:08 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future Steve   Fri Aug 06 2004 01:28 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:23 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future javlin   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:49 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:53 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 03:08 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 03:24 PM
. * * Dead Friday... LI Phil   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:04 PM
. * * Re: Dead Friday... Old Sailor   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:21 PM
. * * resurrection saturday? HanKFranK   Sat Aug 07 2004 01:58 AM
. * * Re: resurrection saturday? Old Sailor   Sat Aug 07 2004 05:44 AM
. * * Re: resurrection saturday? javlin   Sat Aug 07 2004 08:12 AM
. * * Re: EX TD2 & 92L Tropics Guy   Sat Aug 07 2004 08:34 AM
. * * Re: EX TD2 & 92L Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 07 2004 09:10 AM
. * * Re: EX TD2 & 92L doug   Sat Aug 07 2004 09:40 AM
. * * Re: EX TD2 & 92L Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 07 2004 10:09 AM
. * * Sattiday mornin' JB LI Phil   Sat Aug 07 2004 11:33 AM
. * * Re: Dead Friday... summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Dead Friday... LI Phil   Fri Aug 06 2004 05:00 PM
. * * Re: Dead Friday... bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:32 PM
. * * Re: South of Jamaica teal61   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:00 PM
. * * Re: South of Jamaica Steve Hirschb.   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:11 PM
. * * Re: South of Jamaica summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:56 PM
. * * Re: South of Jamaica teal61   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:43 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 03:57 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 future javlin   Fri Aug 06 2004 03:07 PM
. * * Re: 92L & shear Tropics Guy   Fri Aug 06 2004 01:51 PM
. * * Re: 92L & shear bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:00 PM
. * * Re: locating lows/steve's post bobbi   Fri Aug 06 2004 12:45 PM
. * * Re: Dr Gs forecast summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 12:31 PM
. * * Re: El Nino Tropics Guy   Fri Aug 06 2004 10:23 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Post - Clarifications Steve hirschb.   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:19 AM
. * * Storm 2K Anonymous   Fri Aug 06 2004 08:53 AM
. * * Possible Rotation Cocoa Beach   Thu Aug 05 2004 12:34 PM
. * * Re: Possible Rotation Steve hirsch.   Thu Aug 05 2004 12:53 PM
. * * Surprises in the basin bobbi   Thu Aug 05 2004 01:16 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin summercyclone   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:09 PM
. * * okay..calm down.. bobbi   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:19 PM
. * * Re: okay..calm down.. clarification bobbi   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:22 PM
. * * Re: okay..calm down.. clarification Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:28 PM
. * * Re: okay..calm down.. clarification Hardcore   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:33 PM
. * * the unclassified Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:51 PM
. * * Re: the unclassified ClarkE   Thu Aug 05 2004 06:39 PM
. * * to all the El Niño speculators... Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 04:11 PM
. * * Re: to all the El Niño speculators... Anonymous   Thu Aug 05 2004 04:26 PM
. * * Re: to all the El Niño speculators... Steve   Thu Aug 05 2004 04:47 PM
. * * Re: to all the El Niño speculators... doug   Thu Aug 05 2004 04:55 PM
. * * Re: to all the El Niño speculators... PFSThunder   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:07 PM
. * * 91L Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:11 PM
. * * Re: 91L summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:11 AM
. * * Re: 91L Anonymous   Thu Aug 05 2004 06:16 PM
. * * Re: 91L jlauderdal   Thu Aug 05 2004 06:57 PM
. * * 92L BugsBunny   Thu Aug 05 2004 06:26 PM
. * * Re: 91L Steve hirschb.   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:20 PM
. * * Re: 91L BugsBunny   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:27 PM
. * * Re: 91L danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 07:22 PM
. * * responses HanKFranK   Thu Aug 05 2004 08:27 PM
. * * Re: 91L danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 08:11 PM
. * * Re: 91L Anonymous   Thu Aug 05 2004 08:20 PM
. * * Re: 91L danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 09:08 PM
. * * Re: 91L javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 10:46 PM
. * * thoughts for the day LoisCane   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:16 PM
. * * Re: 91L BillD   Thu Aug 05 2004 08:32 PM
. * * Re: 91L Anonymous   Thu Aug 05 2004 08:53 PM
. * * Re: 91L LI Phil   Thu Aug 05 2004 08:40 PM
. * * Re: 91L LoisCane   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:37 PM
. * * Re: Carib. Update danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 06 2004 01:52 AM
. * * Re: 06Z Tropics Shot danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:55 AM
. * * Alex heading for the UK? Rich B   Fri Aug 06 2004 06:21 AM
. * * There is a brief low in atlantic activity Cycloneye   Fri Aug 06 2004 06:24 AM
. * * Re: There is a brief low in atlantic activity Steve hirschb.   Fri Aug 06 2004 07:41 AM
. * * Re: There is a brief low in atlantic activity ticka1   Fri Aug 06 2004 09:07 AM
. * * Another area to watch? WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Aug 05 2004 07:36 PM
. * * Re: Another area to watch? summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 11:14 AM
. * * Re: Another area to watch? andy1tom   Fri Aug 06 2004 12:55 PM
. * * Re: Another area to watch? Storm Cooper   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:09 PM
. * * Re: Alex's sister? summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 02:16 PM
. * * Re: Alex's sister? summercyclone   Fri Aug 06 2004 04:49 PM
. * * Re: Alex's sister? LoisCane   Sun Aug 08 2004 12:49 AM
. * * Re: Alex's sister? caneman   Fri Aug 06 2004 03:06 PM
. * * Re: Another area to watch? Hardcore   Fri Aug 06 2004 01:24 PM
. * * Done LI Phil   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:53 PM
. * * Re: 91L Anonymous   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:18 PM
. * * Re: 91L ErinAndOpal95   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:17 PM
. * * Re: 92L summercyclone   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:03 PM
. * * el nino shmino rickonboat   Thu Aug 05 2004 04:24 PM
. * * Re: okay..calm down.. clarification Robert   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:50 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 01:31 PM
. * * giggling, rofl.. sorry rabbiT bobbi   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:54 PM
. * * ps..question regarding outflow boundaries and inflow bobbi   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:57 PM
. * * Re: ps..question regarding outflow boundaries and inflow Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:59 PM
. * * Re: ps..question regarding outflow boundaries and inflow bobbi   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:09 PM
. * * T-numbers up James88   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:24 PM
. * * Re: T-numbers up javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:28 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:23 PM
. * * its over in the caribbean Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin andy1tom   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:37 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:46 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin andy1tom   Thu Aug 05 2004 02:53 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:05 PM
. * * Re: Surprises in the basin summercyclone   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:12 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens while TD#2 Finally Falls Apart EriktheFled   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:04 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM Old Sailor   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:16 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM BillD   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:09 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM javlin   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:22 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM HanKFranK   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:53 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 01:42 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-old model fcst danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 03:33 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:35 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise h2ocean   Thu Aug 05 2004 07:22 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise Steve hirsch.   Thu Aug 05 2004 07:44 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise Anonymous   Thu Aug 05 2004 09:34 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise andy1tom   Thu Aug 05 2004 09:36 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 09:45 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise andy1tom   Thu Aug 05 2004 09:59 AM
. * * Not Gone, but coming back? ErinAndOpal95   Thu Aug 05 2004 10:44 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? Steve   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:00 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? James88   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:14 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:22 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? ErinAndOpal95   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:26 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:31 AM
. * * 91L &92L LI Phil   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:43 AM
. * * Re: 91L &92L summercyclone   Thu Aug 05 2004 12:00 PM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? ErinAndOpal95   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:42 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 11:25 AM
. * * Re: Not Gone, but coming back? Rabbit   Thu Aug 05 2004 10:49 AM
. * * Re: XTD2-demise rickonboat   Thu Aug 05 2004 09:55 AM
. * * Still a CAT 3 James88   Thu Aug 05 2004 05:01 AM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 12:32 AM
. * * Re: What's up with the forecast? danielwAdministrator   Thu Aug 05 2004 01:40 AM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM javlin   Thu Aug 05 2004 12:24 AM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 11:41 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:49 PM
. * * Re: TD#2 and look to the GOM Tropics Guy   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:58 PM
. * * Alex a CAT 3!!! recmod   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Alex a CAT 3!!! LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:58 PM
. * * Re: Alex a CAT 3!!! cyclone_head   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:09 PM
. * * Re: Alex a CAT 3!!! LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:59 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens while TD#2 Finally Falls Apart cyclone_head   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:26 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens while TD#2 Finally Falls Apart BillD   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:06 PM
. * * Re: San Juan NEXRAD danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:14 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 04 2004 09:53 PM
. * * Re: XTD2 jth   Wed Aug 04 2004 10:02 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens while TD#2 Finally Falls Apart Cycloneye   Wed Aug 04 2004 08:13 PM
. * * Re: Alex Strengthens while TD#2 Finally Falls Apart LI Phil   Wed Aug 04 2004 08:47 PM

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