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outflow from the recent past
      Tue Aug 10 2004 03:53 PM

ok.. bear with me here please as I think its interesting to see what we thought TD2 would do back when.. as I think there are similarities. Also..outflow boundaries are bad but occur for different reasons and can be a sign either way that something is going on..

they say hindsight is 2020 well use it to see what was wrong and what is going on now..

remember the track from td2 and everyone thought it would cut up across cuba somewhere similar to where charley looks to be doing now

so is charley sticking to the old plan or current noaa plan?

(the quiet time is over...stick to the topic)

Edited by LI Phil (Tue Aug 10 2004 04:10 PM)

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* TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley MikeCAdministrator Tue Aug 10 2004 03:53 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:00 PM
. * * Bonni jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:08 PM
. * * Re: Bonni Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:10 PM
. * * Re: Bonni summercyclone   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:14 PM
. * * Charley Frank P   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:16 PM
. * * Re: recon Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:12 PM
. * * does anyone know where the planes are re: charley bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:02 PM
. * * PRESIDENT N PANHANDLE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:08 PM
. * * Latest GFDL for Charlie FlaRebel   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:14 PM
. * * bonnie! Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:21 PM
. * * Re: bonnie! Larry   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:33 PM
. * * Here we go... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Larry   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... texasone   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:14 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... 52255225   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:57 PM
. * * Texasone LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:22 PM
. * * Re: Texasone texasone   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Texasone James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:38 PM
. * * TWC coverage Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:51 PM
. * * Re: TWC coverage LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:54 PM
. * * Charley track Kevin   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:29 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Rich B   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:50 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:51 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:31 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:48 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:52 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:58 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:08 PM
. * * Other Tropical Disturbances Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:11 PM
. * * PRESIDENT N PANHANDLE pc Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:19 PM
. * * Re: PRESIDENT N PANHANDLE pc SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:01 PM
. * * Preparations - West Coast Florida Lag RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:20 PM
. * * Re: Preparations - West Coast Florida Lag h2ocean   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:40 PM
. * * Bush and Bonnie... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:14 PM
. * * Re: Bush and Bonnie... RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:22 PM
. * * Recon LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:27 PM
. * * Re: Recon wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:30 PM
. * * reading data from noaa! Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Recon Arnold Sw.   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Recon Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:49 PM
. * * two for tuesday HanKFranK   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:11 PM
. * * Station 42001 Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:52 PM
. * * As If..... Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:08 PM
. * * Re: As If..... Steve Hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:47 PM
. * * Steve Steve Steve Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:43 PM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve Steve Hirschb.   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:13 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve Colleen A.   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve joepub1   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:36 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve Storm Cooper   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:29 AM
. * * Re: here goes bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:59 PM
. * * Re: bonnie mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:19 PM
. * * Re: bonnie DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:30 PM
. * * Re: bonnie mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:32 PM
. * * Re: bonnie firestar_1   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Charley danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Charley EMS   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Charley Hardcore   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:01 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:49 PM
. * * Re: bonnie mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:59 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Steve   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Re: bonnie DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:10 PM
. * * Re: bonnie danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:42 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:07 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:50 PM
. * * Oooops.... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: bonnie PFSThunder   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:42 PM
. * * Re: bonnie BillD   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:47 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:52 PM
. * * Re: bonnie DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:04 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:11 PM
. * * Re: bonnie SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:37 PM
. * * Charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:23 PM
. * * Re: Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:35 PM
. * * Bonnie hmm Alex K   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:51 PM
. * * Recon? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Recon? Joe   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Recon? BillD   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Recon? danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:52 PM
. * * Re: Recon? SirCane   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:01 AM
. * * Re: Recon? BillD   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:37 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:07 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:22 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:42 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie HanKFranK   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:56 AM
. * * waves BugsBunny   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:03 AM
. * * Re: Charley 0624Z danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:32 AM
. * * Re: Recon is Airborne danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:33 AM
. * * Re: Recon is Airborne danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 03:02 AM
. * * Re: Jamaica Weather 06Z danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:55 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:50 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:55 AM
. * * Re: Charley BillD   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Charley jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Charlie stormpath   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:25 PM
. * * Re: Charlie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:37 PM
. * * Re: Charlie Tropics Guy   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:55 PM
. * * Charlie moving fast ...towards somewhere in Florida LoisCane   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:30 AM
. * * Re: Charlie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:10 AM
. * * Re: Charlie danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Charley wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:24 PM
. * * Thanks, Jason Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Thanks, Jason DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:32 PM
. * * Re:Charley danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:54 PM
. * * Re: Thanks, Jason wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:36 PM
. * * Re: TS WATCH is UP danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re: bonnie GuppieGrouper   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re:charley danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:20 PM
. * * Re:charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:24 PM
. * * Re: bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:51 PM
. * * WV Loops Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:08 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:52 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:58 PM
. * * Re: bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:02 PM
. * * Re: bonnie SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:46 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Hardcore   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:48 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:51 PM
. * * charley.. when was the last time you saw such a round ball over cdo LoisCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:17 PM
. * * Re: charley.. when was the last time you saw such a round ball over cdo wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:35 PM
. * * Re: charley.. when was the last time you saw such a round ball over cdo EMS   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:39 PM
. * * Storm Surge Info - Tampa Bay RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Alan   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Sir Charles LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:47 PM
. * * Re: bourbon st low adding insult to injury danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:40 PM
. * * Mr. Anon LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:05 PM
. * * Re: Station 42001 SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:57 PM
. * * hi jason bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:39 PM
. * * Re: Bush and Bonnie... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:24 PM
. * * bonnie landfall rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:29 PM
. * * FSU Superensemble 18z Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:40 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:00 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:07 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:13 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:03 PM
. * * regarding the the loop.. bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:56 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:17 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:30 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:34 PM
. * * ReCHARLIE LONNY307   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:40 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:26 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:36 PM
. * * Jason K jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:28 PM
. * * Re: Jason K wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Jason K LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:43 PM
. * * Re: Jason K Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:45 PM
. * * 10 mile eye makes me wonder rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:53 PM
. * * Re: 10 mile eye makes me wonder Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:59 PM
. * * Re: 10 mile eye makes me wonder mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:12 PM
. * * Re: 10 mile eye makes me wonder rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:31 PM
. * * recon Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:15 PM
. * * Re: Jason K James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:52 PM
. * * Re: Jason K mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:51 PM
. * * Re: RECON mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:53 PM
. * * TURNING ON CUE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:55 PM
. * * Re: TURNING ON CUE Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:03 PM
. * * GOES Rapid Scan wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:00 PM
. * * Re: GOES Rapid Scan Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:20 PM
. * * Re: GOES Rapid Scan Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:33 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:27 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie teal61   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:32 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:45 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:47 PM
. * * Does Charlie have an eye starting? ErinAndOpal95   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:29 PM
. * * Re: Does Charlie have an eye starting? bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:26 PM
. * * Re: Does Charlie have an eye starting? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:32 PM
. * * Re: Charley-MSW 65 mph danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:45 PM
. * * Charlie in explosion mode rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:55 PM
. * * Re: Charlie in explosion mode danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Does Charlie have an eye starting? PFSThunder   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:22 PM
. * * bring bacck bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:37 PM
. * * Re: bring bacck bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:52 PM
. * * Re: bring bacck bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:00 PM
. * * Latest Vortex... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Re: Jason K rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:39 PM
. * * outflow from the recent past bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:53 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:45 PM
. * * Charley spluttering? James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:27 PM
. * * Re: Bonnie spluttering? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:29 PM
. * * Dvorak's? LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:28 PM
. * * Re: bonnie! mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:25 PM
. * * Re: bonnie/charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:27 PM
. * * Re: bonnie/charley BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:30 PM
. * * Re: Latest GFDL for Charlie Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:19 PM
. * * Re: Latest GFDL for Charlie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:18 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:26 AM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:13 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:22 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:28 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:31 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:44 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:36 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:07 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:11 PM
. * * Tampa LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:19 PM
. * * Bonnie jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:28 PM
. * * Re: Bonnie rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:50 PM
. * * Re: Bonnie doug   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:25 PM
. * * rick...lol LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:58 PM
. * * Re: rick...lol rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:28 PM
. * * Cantore? LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:34 AM
. * * Re: Cantore? Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:10 PM
. * * Re: Blank spot on the map!? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Cantore? Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:17 PM
. * * bonnie bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:54 PM
. * * ps..re: charley bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:56 PM
. * * bonnie for the moment rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:06 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:14 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:26 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Old Sailor   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:35 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:39 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:51 PM
. * * FSU Superensemble Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:53 PM
. * * Cape Verde Season rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:00 PM
. * * Other Things of Interest Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:14 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest andy1tom   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:42 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:47 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest andy1tom   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:50 PM
. * * No booze? LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:59 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:55 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest andy1tom   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:01 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:04 PM
. * * Other Loops of Interest bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:08 PM
. * * Re: Other Loops of Interest Old Sailor   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:30 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Hardcore   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:16 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:37 PM
. * * running away Alex L   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:29 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:50 PM
. * * Re: Cape Verde Season James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:11 PM
. * * Re: Cantore? joepub1   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:05 PM
. * * Hurricane "Clyde" clyde w.   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Cantore? Kal   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:44 AM
. * * Re: Cantore? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:51 AM
. * * Re: Cantore? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:53 AM
. * * Good Tracking Map LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:50 AM
. * * Re: Good Tracking Map hurricane_run   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:56 AM
. * * NW Florida surge Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:33 AM
. * * another repost of my forecast BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:32 AM
. * * Re: another repost of my forecast LoisCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:07 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley joepub1   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:42 AM
. * * RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:48 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING joepub1   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:56 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:59 AM
. * * DISCUSSION Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:01 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:57 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING LoisCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:01 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:04 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:25 AM
. * * CENTER EXPOSED? BONNIE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Re: CENTER EXPOSED? BONNIE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:42 AM
. * * JB LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:15 AM
. * * ADV Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:03 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:55 AM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:36 AM

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