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Re: Here we go...
      Tue Aug 10 2004 04:07 PM

>>> maybe stronger than a cat 2 is possible?

>>> whatya'llthankaboutthat?

I thank we need to get serious (did I just say that). Geez the Rabbit dissipates every system and you send them toward Mobile as CAT Vs. I suppose it is entirely possible, given the right circumstances and the temp of the Gulf, strengthening above a II is possible. Lets hope not. Jason's wearing the bullseye so far, so we should probably listen to him. Whatever happens, though, this is starting to get serious...

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* TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley MikeCAdministrator Tue Aug 10 2004 04:07 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:00 PM
. * * Bonni jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:08 PM
. * * Re: Bonni Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:10 PM
. * * Re: Bonni summercyclone   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:14 PM
. * * Charley Frank P   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:16 PM
. * * Re: recon Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:12 PM
. * * does anyone know where the planes are re: charley bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:02 PM
. * * PRESIDENT N PANHANDLE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:08 PM
. * * Latest GFDL for Charlie FlaRebel   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:14 PM
. * * bonnie! Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:21 PM
. * * Re: bonnie! Larry   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:33 PM
. * * Here we go... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Larry   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... texasone   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:14 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... 52255225   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:57 PM
. * * Texasone LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:22 PM
. * * Re: Texasone texasone   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Texasone James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:38 PM
. * * TWC coverage Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:51 PM
. * * Re: TWC coverage LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:54 PM
. * * Charley track Kevin   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:29 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Rich B   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:50 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:51 PM
. * * Re: Charley track Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:31 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:48 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:52 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:58 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:08 PM
. * * Other Tropical Disturbances Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:11 PM
. * * PRESIDENT N PANHANDLE pc Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:19 PM
. * * Re: PRESIDENT N PANHANDLE pc SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:01 PM
. * * Preparations - West Coast Florida Lag RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:20 PM
. * * Re: Preparations - West Coast Florida Lag h2ocean   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:40 PM
. * * Bush and Bonnie... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:14 PM
. * * Re: Bush and Bonnie... RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:22 PM
. * * Recon LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:27 PM
. * * Re: Recon wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:30 PM
. * * reading data from noaa! Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Recon Arnold Sw.   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Recon Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:49 PM
. * * two for tuesday HanKFranK   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:11 PM
. * * Station 42001 Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:52 PM
. * * As If..... Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:08 PM
. * * Re: As If..... Steve Hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:47 PM
. * * Steve Steve Steve Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:43 PM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve Steve Hirschb.   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:13 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve Colleen A.   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve joepub1   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:36 AM
. * * Re: Steve Steve Steve Storm Cooper   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:29 AM
. * * Re: here goes bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:59 PM
. * * Re: bonnie mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:19 PM
. * * Re: bonnie DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:30 PM
. * * Re: bonnie mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:32 PM
. * * Re: bonnie firestar_1   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Charley danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Charley EMS   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Charley Hardcore   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:01 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:49 PM
. * * Re: bonnie mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:59 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Steve   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Re: bonnie DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:10 PM
. * * Re: bonnie danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:42 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:07 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:50 PM
. * * Oooops.... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: bonnie PFSThunder   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:42 PM
. * * Re: bonnie BillD   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:47 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:52 PM
. * * Re: bonnie DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:04 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:11 PM
. * * Re: bonnie SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:37 PM
. * * Charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:23 PM
. * * Re: Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:35 PM
. * * Bonnie hmm Alex K   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:51 PM
. * * Recon? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Recon? Joe   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Recon? BillD   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Recon? danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:52 PM
. * * Re: Recon? SirCane   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:01 AM
. * * Re: Recon? BillD   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:37 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:07 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:22 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:42 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie HanKFranK   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:56 AM
. * * waves BugsBunny   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:03 AM
. * * Re: Charley 0624Z danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:32 AM
. * * Re: Recon is Airborne danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:33 AM
. * * Re: Recon is Airborne danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 03:02 AM
. * * Re: Jamaica Weather 06Z danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 02:55 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:50 AM
. * * Re: Bonnie danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:55 AM
. * * Re: Charley BillD   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Charley jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Charlie stormpath   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:25 PM
. * * Re: Charlie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:37 PM
. * * Re: Charlie Tropics Guy   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:55 PM
. * * Charlie moving fast ...towards somewhere in Florida LoisCane   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:30 AM
. * * Re: Charlie Anonymous   Wed Aug 11 2004 12:10 AM
. * * Re: Charlie danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Charley wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:24 PM
. * * Thanks, Jason Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Thanks, Jason DroopGB31   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:32 PM
. * * Re:Charley danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:54 PM
. * * Re: Thanks, Jason wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:36 PM
. * * Re: TS WATCH is UP danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re: bonnie GuppieGrouper   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re:charley danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:20 PM
. * * Re:charley Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:24 PM
. * * Re: bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:51 PM
. * * WV Loops Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:08 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:52 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Colleen A.   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:58 PM
. * * Re: bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:02 PM
. * * Re: bonnie SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:46 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Hardcore   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:48 PM
. * * Re: bonnie wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:51 PM
. * * charley.. when was the last time you saw such a round ball over cdo LoisCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:17 PM
. * * Re: charley.. when was the last time you saw such a round ball over cdo wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:35 PM
. * * Re: charley.. when was the last time you saw such a round ball over cdo EMS   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:39 PM
. * * Storm Surge Info - Tampa Bay RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: bonnie Alan   Tue Aug 10 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Sir Charles LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:47 PM
. * * Re: bourbon st low adding insult to injury danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:40 PM
. * * Mr. Anon LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:05 PM
. * * Re: Station 42001 SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:57 PM
. * * hi jason bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:39 PM
. * * Re: Bush and Bonnie... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:24 PM
. * * bonnie landfall rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:29 PM
. * * FSU Superensemble 18z Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:40 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:00 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:07 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:13 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:03 PM
. * * regarding the the loop.. bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:56 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:17 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:30 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:34 PM
. * * ReCHARLIE LONNY307   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:40 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:26 PM
. * * Re: regarding the the loop.. rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:36 PM
. * * Jason K jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:28 PM
. * * Re: Jason K wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Jason K LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:43 PM
. * * Re: Jason K Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:45 PM
. * * 10 mile eye makes me wonder rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:53 PM
. * * Re: 10 mile eye makes me wonder Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:59 PM
. * * Re: 10 mile eye makes me wonder mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:12 PM
. * * Re: 10 mile eye makes me wonder rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:31 PM
. * * recon Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:15 PM
. * * Re: Jason K James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:52 PM
. * * Re: Jason K mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:51 PM
. * * Re: RECON mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:53 PM
. * * TURNING ON CUE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:55 PM
. * * Re: TURNING ON CUE Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:03 PM
. * * GOES Rapid Scan wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:00 PM
. * * Re: GOES Rapid Scan Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:20 PM
. * * Re: GOES Rapid Scan Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:33 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:27 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie teal61   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:32 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:45 PM
. * * Re:Bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:47 PM
. * * Does Charlie have an eye starting? ErinAndOpal95   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:29 PM
. * * Re: Does Charlie have an eye starting? bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:26 PM
. * * Re: Does Charlie have an eye starting? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:32 PM
. * * Re: Charley-MSW 65 mph danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:45 PM
. * * Charlie in explosion mode rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:55 PM
. * * Re: Charlie in explosion mode danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 10 2004 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Does Charlie have an eye starting? PFSThunder   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:22 PM
. * * bring bacck bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:37 PM
. * * Re: bring bacck bonnie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 06:52 PM
. * * Re: bring bacck bonnie LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 07:00 PM
. * * Latest Vortex... wxman007   Tue Aug 10 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Re: Jason K rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:39 PM
. * * outflow from the recent past bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:53 PM
. * * Re: Here we go... SirCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:45 PM
. * * Charley spluttering? James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:27 PM
. * * Re: Bonnie spluttering? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:29 PM
. * * Dvorak's? LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:28 PM
. * * Re: bonnie! mikeG   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:25 PM
. * * Re: bonnie/charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:27 PM
. * * Re: bonnie/charley BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:30 PM
. * * Re: Latest GFDL for Charlie Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:19 PM
. * * Re: Latest GFDL for Charlie Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 03:18 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:26 AM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:13 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:22 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Steve hirschb.   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:28 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:31 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:44 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:36 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:07 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley RedingtonBeachGuy   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:11 PM
. * * Tampa LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:19 PM
. * * Bonnie jth   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:28 PM
. * * Re: Bonnie rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:50 PM
. * * Re: Bonnie doug   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:25 PM
. * * rick...lol LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:58 PM
. * * Re: rick...lol rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:28 PM
. * * Cantore? LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:34 AM
. * * Re: Cantore? Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:10 PM
. * * Re: Blank spot on the map!? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Cantore? Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:17 PM
. * * bonnie bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:54 PM
. * * ps..re: charley bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:56 PM
. * * bonnie for the moment rickonboat   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:06 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:14 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:26 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Old Sailor   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:35 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:39 PM
. * * Re: bonnie for the moment Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:51 PM
. * * FSU Superensemble Clark   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:53 PM
. * * Cape Verde Season rmbjoe1954   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:00 PM
. * * Other Things of Interest Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:14 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest andy1tom   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:42 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:47 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest andy1tom   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:50 PM
. * * No booze? LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:59 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:55 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest andy1tom   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:01 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:04 PM
. * * Other Loops of Interest bobbi   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:08 PM
. * * Re: Other Loops of Interest Old Sailor   Tue Aug 10 2004 02:30 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Hardcore   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:16 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:37 PM
. * * running away Alex L   Tue Aug 10 2004 04:29 PM
. * * Re: Other Things of Interest scottsvb1   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:50 PM
. * * Re: Cape Verde Season James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:11 PM
. * * Re: Cantore? joepub1   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:05 PM
. * * Hurricane "Clyde" clyde w.   Tue Aug 10 2004 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Cantore? Kal   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:44 AM
. * * Re: Cantore? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:51 AM
. * * Re: Cantore? Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:53 AM
. * * Good Tracking Map LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:50 AM
. * * Re: Good Tracking Map hurricane_run   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:56 AM
. * * NW Florida surge Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:33 AM
. * * another repost of my forecast BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:32 AM
. * * Re: another repost of my forecast LoisCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 12:07 PM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley joepub1   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:42 AM
. * * RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:48 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING joepub1   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:56 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:59 AM
. * * DISCUSSION Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:01 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:57 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING LoisCane   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:01 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:04 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:25 AM
. * * CENTER EXPOSED? BONNIE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:17 AM
. * * Re: CENTER EXPOSED? BONNIE Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:42 AM
. * * JB LI Phil   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:15 AM
. * * ADV Anonymous   Tue Aug 10 2004 11:03 AM
. * * Re: RECON STARTING BugsBunny   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:55 AM
. * * Re: TD#3 Upgraded to Tropical Storm Charley James88   Tue Aug 10 2004 10:36 AM

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