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Unseasonably stout wave in Caribbean bringing enhanced showers and tstorms for several days, but lacks model support for development 5/26
Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 274 (Idalia) , Major: 274 (Idalia) Florida - Any: 274 (Idalia) Major: 274 (Idalia)
 


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Re: JB Midday Missive
      Fri Aug 27 2004 06:30 PM

Lets see about a rebound from the Earl disaster that 95% of us took in forcasting. 1st blown 1 of the year for me and I average 2. Thank god it wasnt a landfalling hurricane blown forcast but still I didnt expect Earl to do much in the early going, and it was a 5 day forcast, nevertheless still a X for me.
Frances is going to be the tuffest forcast of the year so faroverthe next week or so.Gaston should form over the next 12-24 hours when recon gets in there. Should be a minimum TS but might get stronger as he brushes the Carolinas sunday and head NE and picking up speed. Pressure still pretty high off SC but slowly falling. This could become a depression later this evening.
Back to Frances,,,,,,tough tough call and how I forcast these systems I give a 3 day and 5 day scope. 5 day forcast of strength(always hard to tell) and landfall or position within 100 miles of a 100 mile zone. 3 days within 50 miles of a 50 miles zone. I stay with that forcasts and if changed then its a blown forcast. For example Frances should be around 110-120mph near 18N and 60 monday afternoon. By weds aft near 20N and 70W. Winds too hard to tell do to very close prox to Hispaniola.
Models are spread out after Sunday morning12z. First the tropical suite of models generally change from run to run. Example is the A98E which is usually all over the place with the LBAR model. BAMMS generally do alittle better but overall the suite is useless. They generally dont factor in many aspects of the atmosphere for example Mid or upper lows.
Globel models generally dont pick up on strength of system out of the tropics that well and initializes them too weak and begins paths then off the correct track for a system stronger. For Frances the Nogaps has a better handle of her bringing her almost due NW between Bermuda and the Carolinas by weds, but nogaps has been to the right and will disregard this path due to it not having the strong zonal ridge forcasted over the western atlantic Sunday thru the next several days. Ukmet is farther Sw and the GFS (preferred model) is just sw of the UKmet off Hispaniola (north). GFDL is not the most reliable model (constantly changing) as its performance at times is that of the tropical model suite. This model is close to the UKmet about 150 miles nne of the GFS. Im going with the better GFS and UKmet as they have a better handle of the mid and upper ridge that is forcasted to develop and also there will be some shear keeping her a strong cat 2 of (hate to say it (weak) Cat 3). THIS COULD BE A VERY DANGEROUS STORM IN THE SW BAHAMAS LATER NEXT WEEK. Though the forcast i give now dont go out more then 5 days. To say this is going to Carolinas isnt set no more then Texas. Florida is the U.S. first threat by Friday into the weekend next week. Remember models change and anything more then not only 5 but 3 days out will change. In the short term though i expect the NW course to continue with wobbles and a turn later tomorrow to the W near 17-18N. Scottsvb

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* Frances deepening, closer concerns HanKFranK Fri Aug 27 2004 06:30 PM
. * * Station 41008 - GRAYS REEF - 40 NM Southeast of Savannah, GA Cocoa Beach   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:32 PM
. * * Station TYBG1 - U.S. Navy Tower R8 Cocoa Beach   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Station TYBG1 - U.S. Navy Tower R8 Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:49 PM
. * * NHC Statement on TD7 Hurricane   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:52 PM
. * * Re: Station TYBG1 - U.S. Navy Tower R8 TROY   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:46 PM
. * * Re: Station TYBG1 - U.S. Navy Tower R8 Jamiewx   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:48 PM
. * * RECON (It's about time too...) LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:51 PM
. * * Re: Frances deepening, closer concerns LoisCane   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:15 AM
. * * Re: Frances deepening, closer concerns Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:07 AM
. * * Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS Frank P   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:43 AM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS BevMott   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:03 AM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS recmod   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:28 PM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS rmbjoe1954   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:36 PM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS Ed in Va   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:52 PM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS rmbjoe1954   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:00 PM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:17 PM
. * * Cat II Frances LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:37 PM
. * * Cat III Frances? rmbjoe1954   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:05 PM
. * * Re: Cat III Frances? LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:16 PM
. * * Re: Cat III Frances? StormLover   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:42 PM
. * * Northward Wobble! LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:22 PM
. * * Re: Northward Wobble! joepub1   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Northward Wobble! Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:17 PM
. * * 97L Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:23 PM
. * * Re: Northward Wobble! Brad   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:33 PM
. * * South Carolina... Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:46 PM
. * * JB Midday Missive LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:51 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive SC Bill   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:38 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive Kal   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:32 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive SirCane   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:00 PM
. * * Frances goes MAJOR LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:17 PM
. * * Re: Frances goes MAJOR Kevin   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:29 PM
. * * Re:Question about what I see DMFischer   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:43 PM
. * * Re:Question about what I see Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 08:24 PM
. * * TD7 Advisory 1 LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 08:37 PM
. * * Re: TD7 Advisory 1 James88   Fri Aug 27 2004 08:47 PM
. * * Probabilities of a SC impact? Mooshie   Tue Aug 31 2004 10:09 PM
. * * Re: TD7 ....models? LoisCane   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:36 PM
. * * Re: TD7 ....models? LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:46 PM
. * * TD7 Forecast Track LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 08:50 PM
. * * Re: TD7 Forecast Track Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Frances' future LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Frances' future Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:56 PM
. * * Hurricane Charley Chrisras   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Charley meto   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Charley meto   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:35 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Charley scott   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:46 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Maitland, FL   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:00 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Charley GuppieGrouper   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:56 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Charley WeatherNLU   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:04 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Maitland, FL   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:22 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:28 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Maitland, FL   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:31 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances meto   Sat Aug 28 2004 12:06 AM
. * * Re: Off topic-slightly danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 28 2004 12:35 AM
. * * Re: Off topic-slightly GuppieGrouper   Sat Aug 28 2004 01:03 AM
. * * Re: Hermine danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 28 2004 01:07 AM
. * * Re: Hermine GuppieGrouper   Sat Aug 28 2004 01:12 AM
. * * Re: Hermine HCW   Sat Aug 28 2004 01:52 AM
. * * NEW THREAD! LI Phil   Sat Aug 28 2004 01:57 AM
. * * Re: NEW THREAD! HCW   Sat Aug 28 2004 02:01 AM
. * * 2345 T#s LI Phil   Sat Aug 28 2004 12:39 AM
. * * Re: 2345 T#s meto   Sat Aug 28 2004 03:01 AM
. * * Re: TD7 Forecast Track James88   Fri Aug 27 2004 08:57 PM
. * * Monster Hurricane Chrisras   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane rmbjoe1954   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:28 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane DMFischer   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:29 PM
. * * Frances News Hype Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:46 PM
. * * Re: Frances News Hype LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Frances News Hype Hardcore   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:57 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane StormLover   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane 52255225   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:12 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane Rich B   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:17 PM
. * * Re: Monster Hurricane Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:11 PM
. * * Re:Question about what I see RevUp   Fri Aug 27 2004 08:36 PM
. * * Re:Question about what I see Maitland   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:54 PM
. * * Re: Frances goes MAJOR LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:38 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive SC Bill   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:46 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:19 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive rmbjoe1954   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:03 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive scottsvb55   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:52 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive scottsvb1   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:30 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive Ed in Va   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:32 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive ticka1   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:17 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:58 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:08 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Re: JB Midday Missive Storm Cooper   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:03 PM
. * * Re: Northward Wobble! rmbjoe1954   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:29 PM
. * * Gaston? Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:45 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? James88   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:49 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:06 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? SC Bill   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:16 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:54 PM
. * * Compact systems Clark   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:56 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? Keith234   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:03 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:31 PM
. * * HOMEGROWN TROUBLE summercyclone   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:45 PM
. * * Re: HOMEGROWN TROUBLE Hardcore   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:58 PM
. * * Re: Gaston? Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:29 PM
. * * Gaston and Hermine? James88   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:02 PM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:31 AM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS LONNY307   Fri Aug 27 2004 12:26 PM
. * * Re: A98E danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 27 2004 12:45 PM
. * * Re: A98E Clark   Fri Aug 27 2004 12:49 PM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS Matt033   Fri Aug 27 2004 11:22 AM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS meto   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:17 AM
. * * Re: Frances will cause great worry and stress for CONUS h2ocean   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:34 AM
. * * Re: Frances deepening, closer concerns WeatherNLU   Thu Aug 26 2004 10:28 PM
. * * Can I breath easy? Cycloneye   Thu Aug 26 2004 10:41 PM
. * * Re: Can I breath easy? LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 11:09 PM
. * * Re: Can I breath easy? LoisCane   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Can I breath easy? LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:42 AM
. * * who is roberta? & i think ridge is building in as we speak LoisCane   Fri Aug 27 2004 02:39 AM
. * * Re:A More W Component? javlin   Fri Aug 27 2004 03:19 AM
. * * Re:A More W Component? Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 04:29 AM
. * * Frances in Florida? FSU GRAD   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:07 AM
. * * Re: Frances in Florida? Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:13 AM
. * * Re: Frances in Florida? EriktheFled   Fri Aug 27 2004 06:29 AM
. * * Re: Frances in Florida? James88   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:09 AM
. * * Re: Frances in Florida? Matt033   Fri Aug 27 2004 07:29 AM
. * * Re:5AM Discussion danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:16 AM
. * * Re:5AM Discussion LadyStorm   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:11 AM
. * * Re:5AM Discussion James88   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Off Current Topic danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 27 2004 10:31 AM
. * * Very Quick...very EARLY post LI Phil   Fri Aug 27 2004 09:54 AM
. * * Re: Frances in Florida? Clark   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:43 AM
. * * Re: Frances in Florida? Steve   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:27 AM
. * * Re:A More W Component? Clark   Fri Aug 27 2004 05:01 AM
. * * when the moderators.... rickonboat   Thu Aug 26 2004 11:25 PM
. * * what, me worry? HanKFranK   Fri Aug 27 2004 12:01 AM
. * * Re: what, me worry? Clark   Fri Aug 27 2004 12:44 AM
. * * Re: what, me worry? GuppieGrouper   Fri Aug 27 2004 01:02 AM
. * * Re: Can I breath easy? ticka1   Thu Aug 26 2004 11:05 PM
. * * wonder what the insurance companies are thinking rickonboat   Thu Aug 26 2004 10:51 PM
. * * Re: Frances deepening, closer concerns Rabbit   Thu Aug 26 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Frances deepening, closer concerns Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 10:04 PM

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