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LoisCane
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Historical comparisons to Frances
      Sat Aug 28 2004 10:15 PM

Spent a good part of the day going over old storm tracks from a great book a good friend sent me. Historical Climo Series. As wonderful as playing with unisys online (and others) its not the same as a book you can flip back and forth and absorb the info better. I think.. good book, good friend. And...this is what I have come up with...

Following certain parameters...
Finding years with storm tracks through the S Carib.
Finding years with a hit on Florida west coast.
Finding years with sw to ne oriented hits on S. Carolina/Ga region
Finding storms in the current area (or extrapolated might have been before sat imagery)

This is what I find most interesting.

1871... storm in late August..
Comes in through the islands and makes a nw curve up over... into GA
That year features two NW florida hits but higher up...

1885... storm shows that it formed north of PR but there is no way of knowing if it started earlier. Shows a ridge in place and storm takes a sudden turn up and off and barely touching the Florida coast and coast into South Carolina.

That year had a storm come across Cuba into the Tampa/W Coast area as well as several storms fly through Ga on their way back out to the Atlantic from the Gulf. Though we didn't have much of a Gulf season and that one did.

1893... a Year no one wants to repeat. Ever especially in Ga/SC.

A storm going NW through Florida out thru GA to ocean and a storm from a similar place following similar projected path but turning in the Bahamas up the Florida coast and slamming into Ga/Sc region. Bad storm. Killed a lot of people. Infamous in that region. Acutually had two similar storm paths both hitting SC after heading towards Florida with a hard right turn.

1899
Storm went through the islands... moved up David like but went into South Carolina after a strong hard right turn. Also fetured a storm going through W Florida.

1937
Storm comes towards Florida from SE at a cord close to where Frances could be tomorrow or the next day. Moves around a ridge and ends up pulling nnw up towards just north of the Cape.. say Daytona.. That year featured a storm moving across FL after a hit near Tampa.

1960...
Donna.. any "up and over the island" track reminds us of Donna.

1964
Dora... Dora came in higher than Frances is but did take a path similar if a high builds in..

And features Cleo that took a path lower and came up from a much lower position than where Frances is so..discounting but mentioning. More concerned on Dora track though that is very different from current NHC thinking so..not really a big possibility.

All in all 1899 and 1893 are the two years that I think most reflect this year.

There are many years where a storm threatened from a similar place but I tried to choose years which had tracks that I thought this storm is and could continue following with similar other aspects.

Personally.. think it makes a hard right just before South Florida.. closer than Floyd. Worry more on say WPB to Melbourne in that turn but think its very possible a track similar to the infamous 1893 storm could occur.

Take care... I wish everyone here lots of luck.. we'll all need it.

Bobbi

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* Tropical Storm Gaston Strengthens while Frances Moves Westward MikeCAdministrator Sat Aug 28 2004 10:15 PM
. * * We have TS Hermine Jamiewx   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:01 PM
. * * Frances 5 pm Discussion Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:13 PM
. * * Re:SITE John C   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:52 PM
. * * Re:SITE Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:54 PM
. * * Re:SITE Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:51 PM
. * * Re:SITE Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:56 PM
. * * Re:SITE Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:03 PM
. * * Re:SITE Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:10 PM
. * * Re:SITE HCW   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:13 PM
. * * Re:Plan of the Day danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:59 PM
. * * We have HERMINE MikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:00 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Gaston Strengthens while Frances Moves Westward jlauderdal   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:28 PM
. * * NRL has Gaston at 60Kts and 991mb bloodstar   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:27 AM
. * * Re: winds at 70? john03   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:52 AM
. * * which way? john03   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:03 AM
. * * Re: which way? danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:05 AM
. * * Re: NRL has Gaston at 60Kts and 991mb danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:44 AM
. * * Frances-One For the Record Book rmbjoe1954   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:07 AM
. * * Re: Frances-One For the Record Book danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:23 AM
. * * Re: Frances-One For the Record Book rmbjoe1954   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:29 AM
. * * Re: Take a look here danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:33 AM
. * * Re: Take a look here rmbjoe1954   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:24 AM
. * * gaston... mikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:49 AM
. * * Re: gaston... danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:02 AM
. * * Frances RedingtonBeachGuy   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:01 AM
. * * Re: Frances EMS   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:24 PM
. * * Re: Frances LadyStorm   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:09 AM
. * * Re: Frances Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:03 AM
. * * Re: Frances LadyStorm   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:13 AM
. * * Re: Frances GuppieGrouper   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:26 AM
. * * Re: Frances HCW   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:26 AM
. * * Re: Frances HCW   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:08 AM
. * * Re: Frances Kevin   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:27 AM
. * * Re: Frances Clark   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:09 PM
. * * Re: Frances cat   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:48 PM
. * * Re: Frances Clark   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:04 PM
. * * Re: Frances cat   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:32 PM
. * * GOM rickonboat   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:19 PM
. * * glad sight is back up LoisCane   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:37 PM
. * * Re: glad sight is back up Kevin   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:58 PM
. * * Re: glad sight is back up Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:01 PM
. * * Re: Glad sight is back up Maitland, FL   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:41 PM
. * * Re: Frances MikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:46 PM
. * * Re: Frances rickonboat   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:53 PM
. * * Frances WXMAN RICHIE   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:16 PM
. * * Re: Frances LBlack   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:16 PM
. * * Re: Frances Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:54 PM
. * * Re: Frances Cocoa Beach   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:29 PM
. * * Re: Frances Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:16 PM
. * * Re: Frances Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:17 PM
. * * Re: Frances Hurric   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:11 PM
. * * Re: Frances BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Frances Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Frances BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:24 PM
. * * Re: Frances Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Frances ShaggyDude   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:42 PM
. * * Re: Frances Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:49 PM
. * * Re: Frances Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:19 PM
. * * Re: Frances WXMAN RICHIE   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:27 PM
. * * Re: Frances danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:35 PM
. * * Re: Frances Jeanine   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:33 PM
. * * Re: Frances GuppieGrouper   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:27 PM
. * * Being sarcastic here. J/K around Robert   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:12 PM
. * * Re: Being sarcastic here. J/K around melissa1211   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:14 PM
. * * Re: Frances Maitalnd, FL   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Frances Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:00 PM
. * * Re: Frances Wxwatcher2   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:08 PM
. * * Re: Frances Maitland, FL   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:08 PM
. * * Re: Frances Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Frances LBlack   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:54 PM
. * * Re: Frances Maitland, FL   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:49 PM
. * * Re: glad sight is back up redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:47 PM
. * * Re: Frances mikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:15 PM
. * * Re: Frances Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:25 PM
. * * Re: Frances anony   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:50 PM
. * * Re: Frances Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:57 PM
. * * moving west now.. rickonboat   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:55 PM
. * * Re: moving west now.. Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:00 PM
. * * Re: moving west now.. Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:37 PM
. * * Re: moving west now.. BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:35 PM
. * * Re: moving west now.. Clark   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:50 PM
. * * Re: moving west now.. BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Frances HCW   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:28 PM
. * * Re: Frances HanKFranK   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:33 PM
. * * Re: Frances troy2   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:45 PM
. * * Re: Frances RevRandy   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:31 PM
. * * Re: Frances GRFLA   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:58 PM
. * * overall tropics Rabbit   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:20 PM
. * * Re: overall tropics scottsvb1   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:33 PM
. * * 08L.NONAME Rabbit   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:37 PM
. * * Re: 08L.NONAME Clark   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:06 PM
. * * Re: 08L.NONAME Rabbit-logout   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:17 PM
. * * Re: 08L.NONAME Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:18 PM
. * * Re: 08L.NONAME James88   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:14 PM
. * * Re: 08L.NONAME Ed in Va   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:42 PM
. * * Re: overall tropics Keith234   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:32 PM
. * * Re: Frances HCW   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:56 PM
. * * Re: Frances Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:27 AM
. * * Re: Frances danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:08 AM
. * * Re: Frances Hurric   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:33 AM
. * * Gaston Weather zacros   Sun Aug 29 2004 06:44 AM
. * * Re: Frances-One For the Record Book mikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 05:18 AM
. * * Evening... LI Phil   Sat Aug 28 2004 08:00 PM
. * * Re: Evening... Ricreig   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:59 PM
. * * GFS track... LI Phil   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:14 PM
. * * Re: Evening... javlin   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:12 PM
. * * Re: Evening... LI Phil   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Evening... meto   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:07 PM
. * * Historical comparisons to Frances LoisCane   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:15 PM
. * * Re: Historical comparisons to Frances SC Bill   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:46 PM
. * * Re: Historical comparisons to Frances danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Forecast Advisory danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Forecasted slowdown in forward speed LoisCane   Sat Aug 28 2004 11:18 PM
. * * ps... gfdl LoisCane   Sat Aug 28 2004 11:45 PM
. * * Re: ps... gfdl Steve   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Hard to follow that danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Heads up for Florida danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:50 AM
. * * Re: Heads up for Florida javlin   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:05 AM
. * * Next recon? JayBB   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:26 AM
. * * Re: Next recon? BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Next recon? danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:41 AM
. * * Re: Gaston update danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:09 AM
. * * Re: Gaston update HanKFranK   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:21 AM
. * * Re: Night Owl danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 04:29 AM
. * * Re: Next recon? danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 03:09 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Weather2   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:51 AM
. * * Re: Heads up for Florida Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 12:56 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:06 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:19 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge Wxwatcher2   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:34 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:56 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge javlin   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:43 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge palmetto   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:03 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge Frank P   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:06 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:43 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge palmetto   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:10 AM
. * * Re: Names danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 02:08 AM
. * * Re: E Carib. ridge danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:37 AM
. * * Re: Sat loops danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 01:33 AM
. * * Re: Forecast Advisory JustMe   Sat Aug 28 2004 11:18 PM
. * * Re: Forecast Advisory FlaRebel   Sat Aug 28 2004 11:16 PM
. * * Recon zacros   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:58 PM
. * * Re: Evening... zacros   Sat Aug 28 2004 08:53 PM
. * * Curious thought from an Idle mind DMFischer   Sat Aug 28 2004 08:49 PM
. * * Re: Curious thought from an Idle mind VolusiaMike   Sat Aug 28 2004 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Curious thought from an Idle mind Frank P   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:13 PM
. * * Re: Curious thought from an Idle mind Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:49 PM
. * * Re: Curious thought from an Idle mind Frank P   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:01 PM
. * * Re: Curious thought from an Idle mind Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 28 2004 10:15 PM
. * * UKMET WXMAN RICHIE   Sat Aug 28 2004 09:53 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Gaston Strengthens while Frances Moves Westward Storm Cooper   Sat Aug 28 2004 07:58 PM

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