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Steve
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Re: Feedback
      Sun Aug 29 2004 10:41 PM

Gary Gray is OKAY but he turned me off after attempting to spin his "great" 2002 forecast as even good. It was sub-mediocre. Long time readers of this site know that I was all over him in 2002 because he just wasn't getting it. His whole seasonal premise was aimed at the Outer Banks with every storm missing by as close as 100 miles due east. (It was a bit more technical, but that was the bottom line).

As I said last night, I think Frances takes aim at southern North Carolina. I don't know why I picked that out on the Thursday thread at S2K, but it seemed reasonable. There's every argument between a Florida, a North Carolina or no landfall at all. All the ideas are plausible. But the bottom line is we're just going to have to wait. This should be an anxious week as the US gets prepared for its 5th (and possibly 6th *see below* landfalling named storm).

I did pretty good with Gaston. I liked the idea of a landfalling tropical storm (possibly high-end) that would drop localized 10"+. It seems possible that some areas may end up with 15+ before it's all said and done. Gaston still presents nicely on the Wilmington radar.

Bastardi's calling for landfall of Hermine possibly in Massachusetts or Rhode Island tomorrow night. He likes the idea of a 40-50mph storm bringing several hours of rain squalls. If Hermine follows Joe's course (and lookout eastern Long Island too), it will be the 2nd of probably 3 American landfalls in this 10 day period. Joe's making waves today that he cut his initial landfall intensity forecast after discussions with some of his bosses. He said it was far into record territory but had to shave it off just because. He's now thinking his record territory (anyway) numbers may end up being underdone for the season.

But my goodness what a pattern. I told my bosses that the preseason numbers were higher than the record, and I trimmed them to what was 2.5 above normal. The numbers heavily weigh on the intensity trend scale I have developed that you see on the post with the wave look. And the mid season update, with the extra points tacked on actually took it over the record. But I have never seen a set up like this for systems to hit the United States. With the overall pattern the way it is, the water temps the way it is, it may wind up being a case of the extreme forecast not being extreme enough. Certainly with Charley's damage, and the threat of more big storms, the dollar cost of this years season will be the highest ever.

He also cautioned that what he's watching now, depending on how far northeast Frances ends up will potentially open up the western and central gulf for home brew 6-8 days after Frances. if he hits that (after catching the Gaston/Hermine pattern development), even his most serious detractors would have to acknowledge there was some method to his madness.

Steve

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* Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms MikeCAdministrator Sun Aug 29 2004 10:41 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms delta   Mon Aug 30 2004 03:26 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms delta   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:41 PM
. * * Link to current conditions in Antigua Cocoa Beach   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:35 AM
. * * Got one of my gut feelings right. Cocoa Beach   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 07:46 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms JustMe   Mon Aug 30 2004 07:58 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:08 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Wxwatcher2   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:16 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:23 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Keith234   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:36 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Tom-OrmondBch   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:31 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:38 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Keith234   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:40 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:52 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ed in Va   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:45 AM
. * * Re: Frances track doug   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:05 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:21 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Floridacane   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:41 AM
. * * Re: Frances track hankie   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:50 AM
. * * Re: Frances track SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:30 PM
. * * Re: Frances track Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:02 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:11 AM
. * * Re: Frances track recmod   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:29 AM
. * * Re: Frances track-GFDL model doug   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:01 PM
. * * Re: Frances track Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:44 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:53 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Wxwatcher2   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:30 PM
. * * Hermine Keith234   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:42 PM
. * * Surf's Up dudes... LI Phil   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:53 PM
. * * Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment Colleen A.   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:32 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment GuppieGrouper   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:47 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment CAPE CORAL   Mon Aug 30 2004 03:15 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment HCW   Mon Aug 30 2004 03:32 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 03:50 PM
. * * NEW THREAD LI Phil   Mon Aug 30 2004 03:54 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Path & Intensity + "Alarmists" Comment Frank P   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:40 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... joepub1   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:18 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:21 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... troy2   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:26 PM
. * * 18Z GFS joepub1   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:38 PM
. * * Re: 18Z GFS Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:40 PM
. * * Re: 18Z GFS ShaggyDude   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:52 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... LI Phil   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... BillD   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:31 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes...GFS Track doug   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:47 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes...GFS Track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:54 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes...GFS Track alan   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:52 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... GuppieGrouper   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:44 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... joepub1   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:01 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:12 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... joepub1   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:33 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... rmbjoe1954   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:37 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Rasvar   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:39 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:36 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... GuppieGrouper   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:22 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... LI Phil   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:05 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Allison   Mon Aug 30 2004 03:09 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:46 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... ShaggyDude   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:25 PM
. * * Re: Surf's Up dudes... Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Frances track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:37 PM
. * * Re: Frances track scottsvb1   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:25 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:05 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:24 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Hurric   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:09 PM
. * * Re: Frances track RICHIE AT WORK   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: Frances track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:14 PM
. * * Re: Frances track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:30 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Cane Watcher   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:37 AM
. * * 97L Keith234   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:43 AM
. * * Re: 97L Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:49 AM
. * * Re: 97L Keith234   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:04 PM
. * * Re: 97L Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:07 PM
. * * Re: 97L jbcmh81   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:57 PM
. * * Re: 97L troy2   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:00 PM
. * * Re: 97L Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:04 PM
. * * Re: 97L RICHIE AT WORK   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:04 PM
. * * Re: 97L Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:06 PM
. * * Models On Frances rmbjoe1954   Mon Aug 30 2004 02:27 PM
. * * Re: 97L ShaggyDude   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:08 PM
. * * Frances Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:43 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Ed in Va   Mon Aug 30 2004 11:42 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Larry   Mon Aug 30 2004 12:10 PM
. * * Re: Frances track doug   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:55 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Rasvar   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:54 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Redbird   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:56 AM
. * * Re: Frances track LI Phil   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:56 AM
. * * Re: Frances track ShaggyDude   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:39 AM
. * * Gaston Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:45 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:51 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:59 AM
. * * Re: Frances track Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:14 AM
. * * models Rabbit   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:53 AM
. * * Re: models Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:59 AM
. * * Re: models rmbjoe1954   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:57 AM
. * * Re: models jth   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:01 AM
. * * Re: models melissa   Mon Aug 30 2004 10:15 AM
. * * Re: models ShaggyDude   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:56 AM
. * * Re: Frances track GuppieGrouper   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:49 AM
. * * Re: Frances track rmbjoe1954   Mon Aug 30 2004 09:51 AM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms meto   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:46 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:04 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms alan   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:02 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Lake Toho   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:06 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Lake Toho   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:12 PM
. * * Re: From the 11pm discussion danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:17 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Lake Toho   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:16 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:27 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms et1516   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms et1516   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:33 PM
. * * NOGAPS Robert   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:22 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms alan   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:09 PM
. * * Re: TWC danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:50 PM
. * * Models use of history ConcernedinMiami   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:34 PM
. * * Feedback RedingtonBeachGuy   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:22 PM
. * * Re: Feedback Steve   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:41 PM
. * * Re: Feedback AgentB   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Re: Feedback S. Hirschb.   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Feedback Dennis S   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Official NWS Forecasts WXMAN RICHIE   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:40 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:29 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:37 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Keith234   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Floridacane   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history WXMAN RICHIE   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:10 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Floridacane   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:14 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:11 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:35 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 11:41 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 06:55 AM
. * * Re: Models use of history Jeffmidtown   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:05 AM
. * * Re: Recon Update danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 30 2004 06:50 AM
. * * Re: Recon Update summercyclone   Mon Aug 30 2004 07:43 AM
. * * Re: Recon Update Keith234   Mon Aug 30 2004 08:02 AM
. * * Lest we forget... Ricreig   Mon Aug 30 2004 07:25 AM
. * * Re: Lest we forget... LONNY307   Mon Aug 30 2004 07:43 AM
. * * Re: Model Update danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 30 2004 01:00 AM
. * * Re: Models use of history Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:31 PM
. * * West Gulf! SoonerShawn   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Re: West Gulf! danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:47 PM
. * * Re: West Gulf! Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:44 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history ShaggyDude   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:35 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:55 PM
. * * Frances WXMAN RICHIE   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:42 PM
. * * Re: Models use of history Lake Toho   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms MikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:24 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:35 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:29 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:32 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:36 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:38 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms ShaggyDude   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:03 PM
. * * triad on the 29th HanKFranK   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:35 PM
. * * Re: triad on the 29th Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:55 PM
. * * Re: triad on the 29th alan   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:00 PM
. * * Re: triad on the 29th Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:15 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:12 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath Floridacane   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:16 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:25 PM
. * * Re: Frances danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:56 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath Redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:38 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath ShaggyDude   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:34 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath Keith234   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:33 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath Floridacane   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:06 PM
. * * Re: FL Swath h2ocean   Sun Aug 29 2004 10:21 PM
. * * Frances' Wobbles rmbjoe1954   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:10 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Wobbles ShaggyDude   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:19 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Wobbles Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:24 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Wobbles BabyCat   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:34 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Wobbles BillD   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:31 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Wobbles Ricreig   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:39 PM
. * * Re: Frances' Wobbles MikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 08:24 PM
. * * Recon MikeG   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:31 PM
. * * Re: Gaston Landfalls in South Carolina, Tropical Storm Hermine Forms Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 29 2004 07:27 PM

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