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Re: RE: Earlier post about bad dropsondes...
      Thu Sep 02 2004 04:24 AM

StormHound -- actually, the FSU Superensemble is nothing more than a least squares method of finding the biases in each of the member models (GFS, NOGAPS, etc) and determining a track forecast based off of the expected least errors in each of the tracks. A least squares fit isn't exactly an average, but it's a means of getting a weighted average sort of thing.

There is no special data that goes into it that doesn't go into the other models; that's what makes the left bias it has exhibited for several days now so striking, in that it picked up on the tendencies of the models to the point that any leftward shift in those tracks will send the Superensemble a bit further left as well.

That graphic on the front page about the crossing tracks is very telling. You see where they intersect? That's directly over my place in Orlando. Reports from that region say that items are at a high premium even now, particularly at Wal-Mart where they can't even get things onto the shelf before people take it out.

To clarify a point about the poor initializations of the GFS/GFDL models...the 00z runs will have that new data into them, but it's still up to the models to initialize it correctly. It may well assign a minimal weight to that data and go with something lower anyway -- that's what they have been doing. It shows why you cannot rely on the models solely and must use meteorological intuition -- several here have noticed the greater strength of the ridge and kept it on a more westerly/southerly track. Unfortunately, the NHC is very much tied to the models these days; it's partially the trend in forecasting and partially political/governmental pressure. But, the past two discussions have been very nice departures from a straight-up model discussion, and I would not be shocked to see the 5a track shifted further west...and a much slower weakening of the storm over land. It'll be moving fast and will take a decent amount of time to spin down; I think 40mph near Gainesville is severely underestimating things.

More as I read through the thread...

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* Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast MikeCAdministrator Thu Sep 02 2004 04:24 AM
. * * Lee County- Cape Coral??!?! What can I expect Martha   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:07 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast cdbeavers   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast indialanticwes   Thu Sep 02 2004 02:47 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast jaybythebay   Thu Sep 02 2004 02:51 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 02 2004 02:45 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast Ricreig   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:02 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 02:51 AM
. * * stewart's piece HanKFranK   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:07 AM
. * * Re: stewart's piece Tanbark   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:37 AM
. * * Re: stewart's piece MIAMIFL   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:53 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast h2ocean   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:03 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:12 AM
. * * From the other forum LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:17 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 02:56 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:17 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast DroopGB31   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:34 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:34 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:38 AM
. * * H2Ocean StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:32 AM
. * * Re: H2Ocean danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:51 AM
. * * Re: H2Ocean indialanticwes   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:53 AM
. * * RE: Earlier post about bad dropsondes... StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:35 AM
. * * Re: RE: Earlier post about bad dropsondes... Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:24 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast MIAMIFL   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:31 AM
. * * GFS is coming in.... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:31 AM
. * * Re: GFS is coming in.... MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:36 AM
. * * Locat met has me sitting up and paying closer attention... Southern4sure   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:25 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:24 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:27 AM
. * * ZULU/UTC time LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:24 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast TAZRACER   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:23 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast lis   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:44 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast javlin   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:05 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:04 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Watches up for the Florida East Coast wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:11 AM
. * * Track Shift Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:30 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Ricreig   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:15 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:44 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal Richsurfs   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:11 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal DroopGB31   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:52 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:05 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:33 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:53 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:12 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:18 AM
. * * You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Frank P   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:59 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:29 AM
. * * Re: eoc fred08   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:45 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Advisory danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:55 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Advisory mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:59 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Advisory Wxwatcher2   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:57 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Advisory HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:57 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Wxwatcher2   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:44 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:58 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:07 AM
. * * 2AM Update Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:25 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:28 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:31 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:49 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:29 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:32 AM
. * * Sat Track Bloodstar   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:43 AM
. * * Re: Sat Track Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:55 AM
. * * Re: Sat Track meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:20 AM
. * * Re: Evacuations danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:29 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:57 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:38 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix Hurric   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:58 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix Roberta   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:14 AM
. * * Re: Alabama danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:23 AM
. * * Re: Alabama lis   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:59 AM
. * * Re: Alabama Louie   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:21 AM
. * * Re: Alabama TAZMAN   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:35 AM
. * * Re: Alabama LadyStorm   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Alabama Louie   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:46 AM
. * * Re: Ft Lauderdale danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:17 AM
. * * Re: Alabama Roberta   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:39 AM
. * * Re: Alabama danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:58 AM
. * * Re: Alabama Roberta   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:15 AM
. * * Forecast tracks MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:44 AM
. * * Re: Traffic Conditions danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:31 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex Message danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:53 AM
. * * water vapor loop MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:58 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex Message francois   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:56 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex Message danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:05 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex Message francois   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:17 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex Message Ricreig   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:48 AM
. * * flights Domino   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:22 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:22 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix Hurric   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:22 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix Hurric   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:01 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:06 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:12 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix Hurric   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:06 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:05 AM
. * * Re: New Vortex fix rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:01 AM
. * * Re:Hur Watch Extended South danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:36 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:36 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:41 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update Storm Cooper   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:49 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:44 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update fred08   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:50 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Update rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:41 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:07 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Wxwatcher2   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:11 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:05 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run Wxwatcher2   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:00 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:05 AM
. * * Re: sats bck in 30 mins? john03   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:01 AM
. * * 2AM Doombot!   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:06 AM
. * * Re: 2AM mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:08 AM
. * * Re: 2AM BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:13 AM
. * * Re: 2AM meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:21 AM
. * * Re: 2AM mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:24 AM
. * * Re: 2AM Jeffmidtown   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:27 AM
. * * Re: Vortex Report danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:17 AM
. * * Re: 2AM wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:16 AM
. * * Re: 2AM BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:21 AM
. * * Re: 2AM mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:16 AM
. * * Re: 2AM fred08   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:21 AM
. * * Re: 2AM meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:28 AM
. * * Re: 2AM mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:10 AM
. * * Re: You want south and west.... look at the latest CMC run javlin   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:19 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal DroopGB31   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal BabyCat   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:51 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:50 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:49 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:05 AM
. * * Re: more west movement? john03   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:54 AM
. * * Re: more west movement? Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:08 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal Doombot!   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:49 AM
. * * Re: Up close and personal SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:54 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:38 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:36 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:39 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:43 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift LoisCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:52 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:56 AM
. * * Jim Cantore erauwx   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:59 AM
. * * How do you responnd... LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:03 AM
. * * Re: How do you responnd... Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:16 AM
. * * Re: How do you responnd... RevUp   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:12 AM
. * * Re: Current Traffic Counts danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:23 AM
. * * Re: Current Traffic Counts Londovir   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:34 AM
. * * Re: Jim Cantore scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:02 AM
. * * Re: Jim Cantore meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:09 AM
. * * Re: Jim Cantore scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:05 AM
. * * Re: Jim Cantore Dennis S   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:15 AM
. * * Max Mayfield WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:27 AM
. * * Re: traffic fred08   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:32 AM
. * * Re: Jim Cantore BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:11 AM
. * * Re: Jim Cantore MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:08 AM
. * * Talk about further east MrSpock   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:30 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift lis   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:53 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift BabyCat   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:00 AM
. * * New GFS... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:09 AM
. * * Re: New GFS... rjp   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:17 AM
. * * Re: New GFS... rjp   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:22 AM
. * * GFS & Evacuations Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:43 AM
. * * Re: GFS & Evacuations fred08   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:49 AM
. * * New NOGAPS... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:22 AM
. * * Re: New NOGAPS... Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:30 AM
. * * Re: New NOGAPS... scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:33 AM
. * * Re: New GFS... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:16 AM
. * * Re: New GFS... SirCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:15 AM
. * * Re: New GFS... scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:12 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:07 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Jeffmidtown   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:02 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:43 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Bloodstar   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:03 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Londovir   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:20 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Pam in Vero   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:29 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Southern4sure   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:33 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:29 AM
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. * * Re: Track Shift Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:36 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift javlin   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:04 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:10 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:51 AM
. * * Re: Recon danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:59 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift john03   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:54 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:02 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift DMFischer   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:09 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:59 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Bev   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:11 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:13 AM
. * * Re: recon mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:19 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:04 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:07 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift Frank P   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:12 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:01 AM
. * * models LoisCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:39 AM
. * * Re: models Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:43 AM
. * * Re: models scottsvb1   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:42 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift WEST AND SOUTH MIAMIFL   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:16 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 03:55 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:11 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift mikeG   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:17 AM
. * * Re: Track Shift danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:46 AM
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. * * Re: recon danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:29 AM
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