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Re: Frances
      Thu Sep 02 2004 10:05 PM

Hi Colleen --

Typically around these storms, you'll see a lot of dry air. As I mentioned in either a previous post or another thread, there is a lot of rising motion inside the core of the hurricane. However, to keep the atmosphere in balance, there must be an equal amount of sinking motion outside of the core of the storm. Some of this is found in the eye, whereas the rest is found outside the storm.

Thus, oftentimes when looking at water vapor with powerful hurricanes, you will see a lot of dry air around the storm. This can even appear to move towards the storm at times. However, it rarely impacts the strength of the storm as it is a natural by-product of the storm itself. Yes, it is true that all instability (like storms) is designed to restore stability, and that over time,a storm will fill (weaken) on it's own, but the impact of this dry air towards causing that isn't a very big one.

A note about the storm for the board --

The overall symmetry of the storm has improved over the past couple of hours. The storm has resumed a more WNW path, as the NHC expected in their 4pm conference call. I've learned that trying to interpret wobbles over water is a fool's errand -- it usually only leads to you to misjudge what is really going on with the storm. It usually takes a couple-few hours of sustained "wobbling" to suggest that a direction has changed. Though, as we've learned, a little wobble can make a big difference; see Charley for a prime example.

Give the storm another 6 hours and it might start to get its act together once again. It's nearing the longer islands of the Bahamas, but moving slowly. If anything, I think the slower motion - despite interaction with land - could help restrengthen the storm as a result of more consistant inflow patterns (even if they are being affected by land). I don't expect a lot of restrengthening - and I use that term as I expect the winds to be more in the cat. 3 range at 11pm - but some is possible. Let's not go wild with the cat 5 or dissipation posts now; neither is very likely to happen. Near the status quo through landfall is about where we should be looking.

Things are still looking primed for a secondary landfall in the Florida panhandle somewhere, but we have another day or two to figure the particulars of that out. Only recently have the models begun to agree on a east coast landfall location; let's see what happens in the next day or so before going any further than that.

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* Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic MikeCAdministrator Thu Sep 02 2004 10:05 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Robin   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:32 PM
. * * Winds down at 11pm Jamiewx   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:34 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm- correction Jamiewx   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm- correction Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:15 PM
. * * NEW THREAD! LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:18 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm JaxBeachMan   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:48 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:54 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm RevUp   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:05 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm Wxwatcher2   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:14 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:36 PM
. * * Re: Models danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:50 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm Joe   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:45 PM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm Rabbit   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic jiml9   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic jimmy99   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:50 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic 4192   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:38 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic luki   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:44 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Hawdon Supreme   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:42 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Waiting   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:50 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic *DELETED* Karen   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:40 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic obshaz   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:01 PM
. * * Frances Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Frances Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:05 PM
. * * Re: Frances recmod   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:01 PM
. * * Re: Frances SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Frances RevUp   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:06 PM
. * * Re: Frances SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:30 PM
. * * Re: Frances AmateurJohn   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:44 PM
. * * Re: Frances Bev   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:29 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic obshaz   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:10 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic bobbi/lois   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic bell   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:57 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic RevRandy   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:54 PM
. * * Lakeland taking down street lights... Londovir   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:50 PM
. * * Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:15 PM
. * * Re: Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:08 PM
. * * Re: Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas ThirdRay   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:24 PM
. * * Updates WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:33 PM
. * * Re: Updates tony   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:57 PM
. * * Re: Updates BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:05 PM
. * * Re: Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas jth   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:30 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic mp3reed   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:08 PM
. * * Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! dhcp   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:57 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Pam was in Vero   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:41 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:51 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! WeatherNLU   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:53 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:07 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! 4192   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:24 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! 4192   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:58 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Cathy   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:20 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:05 PM
. * * Closer... more detail/cities/streets SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:29 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets francois   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:42 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets Ricreig   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:51 PM
. * * NEW THREAD!!! LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:56 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:53 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets francois   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets Ricreig   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:14 AM
. * * Sats... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:51 PM
. * * Track WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:57 PM
. * * Re: Sats... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:55 PM
. * * Re: Sats... WeatherNLU   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:30 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:47 PM
. * * Curfews WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:56 PM
. * * Re: Sats... MIAMIFL   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:33 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Hawdon Supreme   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:27 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:45 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:50 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:57 PM
. * * Re: Sats... unregistered   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:19 PM
. * * Re: Sats... jth   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:02 PM
. * * Re: Sats... jlauderdal   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:51 PM
. * * Re: Sats... GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:07 PM
. * * Re: Sats... RevUp   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:29 PM
. * * Re: Sats... kirdona   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:59 PM
. * * Re: Sats... jlauderdal   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:21 PM
. * * Reports from the Bahamas LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:28 PM
. * * Re: Reports from the Bahamas cjzydeco   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Reports from the Bahamas SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:51 PM
. * * Re: Reports from the Bahamas Jeffmidtown   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:32 PM
. * * Re: Sats... BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Sats... doug   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Sats... cjzydeco   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:15 PM
. * * Re: Sats... doug   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:24 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:11 PM
. * * main board content HanKFranK   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:26 PM
. * * Definite west jog IMO Frank P   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:20 PM
. * * 8:43 vortex message Londovir   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:28 PM
. * * Re: 8:43 vortex message WeatherNLU   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:33 PM
. * * Re: 8:43 vortex message teal61   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Really Starting To Wrap Up! SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:41 PM
. * * Re: Really Starting To Wrap Up! danielwAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:43 PM
. * * Re: Sats... doug   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:19 PM
. * * Re: Sats... BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:33 PM
. * * Old Met Vet Nash Roberts Frank P   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:25 PM
. * * Re: Sats... LONNY307   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:18 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Jeffmidtown   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:18 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Bruce   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:14 PM
. * * Re: Sats... HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:01 PM
. * * Re: Sats... TBAJE   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:52 PM
. * * Re: Sats... SOUTHFLAHAPPYGAL   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:50 PM
. * * Re: Sats... FlaRebel   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:49 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets FlaRebel   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:41 PM
. * * I find the Orlando information confusing! Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:07 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:31 PM
. * * NHC Update... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:33 PM
. * * Re: NHC Update... SOUTHFLAHAPPTGAL   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:40 PM
. * * Re: NHC Update... Ricreig   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:40 PM
. * * Re: NHC Update... SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:36 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Bell   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:16 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:37 PM
. * * Miami, poured for five minutes and sky was blue a minute later LoisCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:28 PM
. * * Re: Miami, poured for five minutes and sky was blue a minute later Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:45 PM
. * * Orlando outlook. Doombot!   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:49 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Cocoa Beach   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:12 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! alan   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:10 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:12 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! alan   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:18 PM
. * * frances get stuck HanKFranK   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:35 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! spoo   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:26 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! casps   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:09 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Tropic Mark   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:09 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic AgentB   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:18 PM
. * * New Vortex wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:06 PM
. * * Re: New Vortex caneman   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:59 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Rabbit   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:58 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:06 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic elcuco   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:19 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:10 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:20 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:25 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic clyde w.   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:30 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:57 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:00 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Chopper Davie   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:27 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Doombot!   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:28 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Chopper Davie   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:34 PM
. * * another 6 hours.... rickonboat   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:32 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Todd   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:55 PM
. * * San Salvador.... rickonboat   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:07 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:02 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Todd   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:10 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... SirCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:31 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:22 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Rabbit   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:29 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Ricreig   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:32 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... meto   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:51 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:40 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Karen   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:15 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:23 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... AgentB   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:38 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:42 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:31 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... 52255225   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:31 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Todd   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:17 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:35 PM
. * * New Eye Reformation? SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:42 PM
. * * 5pm Advisory StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:37 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory DroopGB31   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:47 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory wxnole   Thu Sep 02 2004 07:57 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory AgentB   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:11 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:17 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:28 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:52 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:12 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... 52255225   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:35 PM
. * * Lower wind speed at landfall? StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? clyde w.   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:37 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:44 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? casps   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:48 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? cas   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:57 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? casps   Thu Sep 02 2004 06:00 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic jth   Thu Sep 02 2004 05:01 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic rich   Thu Sep 02 2004 04:57 PM

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