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Re: Frances
      Fri Sep 03 2004 02:05 AM

Hi Colleen --

Typically around these storms, you'll see a lot of dry air. As I mentioned in either a previous post or another thread, there is a lot of rising motion inside the core of the hurricane. However, to keep the atmosphere in balance, there must be an equal amount of sinking motion outside of the core of the storm. Some of this is found in the eye, whereas the rest is found outside the storm.

Thus, oftentimes when looking at water vapor with powerful hurricanes, you will see a lot of dry air around the storm. This can even appear to move towards the storm at times. However, it rarely impacts the strength of the storm as it is a natural by-product of the storm itself. Yes, it is true that all instability (like storms) is designed to restore stability, and that over time,a storm will fill (weaken) on it's own, but the impact of this dry air towards causing that isn't a very big one.

A note about the storm for the board --

The overall symmetry of the storm has improved over the past couple of hours. The storm has resumed a more WNW path, as the NHC expected in their 4pm conference call. I've learned that trying to interpret wobbles over water is a fool's errand -- it usually only leads to you to misjudge what is really going on with the storm. It usually takes a couple-few hours of sustained "wobbling" to suggest that a direction has changed. Though, as we've learned, a little wobble can make a big difference; see Charley for a prime example.

Give the storm another 6 hours and it might start to get its act together once again. It's nearing the longer islands of the Bahamas, but moving slowly. If anything, I think the slower motion - despite interaction with land - could help restrengthen the storm as a result of more consistant inflow patterns (even if they are being affected by land). I don't expect a lot of restrengthening - and I use that term as I expect the winds to be more in the cat. 3 range at 11pm - but some is possible. Let's not go wild with the cat 5 or dissipation posts now; neither is very likely to happen. Near the status quo through landfall is about where we should be looking.

Things are still looking primed for a secondary landfall in the Florida panhandle somewhere, but we have another day or two to figure the particulars of that out. Only recently have the models begun to agree on a east coast landfall location; let's see what happens in the next day or so before going any further than that.

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* Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic MikeCAdministrator Fri Sep 03 2004 02:05 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Robin   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:32 AM
. * * Winds down at 11pm Jamiewx   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:34 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:45 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm- correction Jamiewx   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:49 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm- correction Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:15 AM
. * * NEW THREAD! LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:18 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm JaxBeachMan   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:48 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:54 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm RevUp   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:05 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:14 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm HCW   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:36 AM
. * * Re: Models danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:50 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm Joe   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:45 AM
. * * Re: Winds down at 11pm Rabbit   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:39 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic jiml9   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic jimmy99   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:50 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic 4192   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:38 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic luki   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:44 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Hawdon Supreme   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:42 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Waiting   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:50 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic *DELETED* Karen   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:40 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic obshaz   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic spook   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:01 AM
. * * Frances Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:54 AM
. * * Re: Frances Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:05 AM
. * * Re: Frances recmod   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:01 AM
. * * Re: Frances SoonerShawn   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:00 AM
. * * Re: Frances RevUp   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:06 AM
. * * Re: Frances SoonerShawn   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:30 AM
. * * Re: Frances AmateurJohn   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:44 AM
. * * Re: Frances Bev   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:29 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic obshaz   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:10 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic bobbi/lois   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:54 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic bell   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:57 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic RevRandy   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:54 AM
. * * Lakeland taking down street lights... Londovir   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:50 AM
. * * Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:15 PM
. * * Re: Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:08 AM
. * * Re: Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas ThirdRay   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:24 AM
. * * Updates WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:33 AM
. * * Re: Updates tony   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:57 AM
. * * Re: Updates BillD   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:05 AM
. * * Re: Dumb newbie question about the new map and "red" and "blue" areas jth   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:30 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic mp3reed   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:08 PM
. * * Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! dhcp   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:57 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Pam was in Vero   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:41 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:51 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! WeatherNLU   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:53 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:07 AM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! 4192   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:24 AM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! 4192   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:58 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! Cathy   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:20 PM
. * * Re: Restore the sanity.. PLEASE!!!! spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:05 PM
. * * Closer... more detail/cities/streets SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:29 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets francois   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:42 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets Ricreig   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:51 AM
. * * NEW THREAD!!! LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:53 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets francois   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:58 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:01 AM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets Ricreig   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:14 AM
. * * Sats... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:44 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:51 PM
. * * Track WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:57 PM
. * * Re: Sats... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Sats... WeatherNLU   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:47 PM
. * * Curfews WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:56 PM
. * * Re: Sats... MIAMIFL   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:33 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Hawdon Supreme   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:27 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:45 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:50 PM
. * * Re: Sats... Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:57 PM
. * * Re: Sats... unregistered   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Sats... jth   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:02 AM
. * * Re: Sats... jlauderdal   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:51 AM
. * * Re: Sats... GuppieGrouper   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:07 AM
. * * Re: Sats... RevUp   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:29 AM
. * * Re: Sats... kirdona   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:59 AM
. * * Re: Sats... jlauderdal   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:21 AM
. * * Reports from the Bahamas LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:28 AM
. * * Re: Reports from the Bahamas cjzydeco   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:45 AM
. * * Re: Reports from the Bahamas SoonerShawn   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:51 AM
. * * Re: Reports from the Bahamas Jeffmidtown   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:32 AM
. * * Re: Sats... BillD   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Sats... doug   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:08 AM
. * * Re: Sats... cjzydeco   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:15 AM
. * * Re: Sats... doug   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:24 AM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:11 AM
. * * main board content HanKFranK   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:26 AM
. * * Definite west jog IMO Frank P   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:20 AM
. * * 8:43 vortex message Londovir   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:28 AM
. * * Re: 8:43 vortex message WeatherNLU   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:33 AM
. * * Re: 8:43 vortex message teal61   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:45 AM
. * * Really Starting To Wrap Up! SoonerShawn   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:41 AM
. * * Re: Really Starting To Wrap Up! danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:43 AM
. * * Re: Sats... doug   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Sats... BillD   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:33 AM
. * * Old Met Vet Nash Roberts Frank P   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:25 AM
. * * Re: Sats... LONNY307   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:18 AM
. * * Re: Sats... Jeffmidtown   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:18 AM
. * * Re: Sats... Bruce   Fri Sep 03 2004 01:14 AM
. * * Re: Sats... HCW   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:01 PM
. * * Re: Sats... TBAJE   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Sats... SOUTHFLAHAPPYGAL   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:58 PM
. * * Re: Sats... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:50 PM
. * * Re: Sats... FlaRebel   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Closer... more detail/cities/streets FlaRebel   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:41 PM
. * * I find the Orlando information confusing! Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:07 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Clark   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:31 PM
. * * NHC Update... wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:33 PM
. * * Re: NHC Update... SOUTHFLAHAPPTGAL   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:40 PM
. * * Re: NHC Update... Ricreig   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:40 AM
. * * Re: NHC Update... SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:36 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Bell   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:16 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:37 PM
. * * Miami, poured for five minutes and sky was blue a minute later LoisCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:28 PM
. * * Re: Miami, poured for five minutes and sky was blue a minute later Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:45 PM
. * * Orlando outlook. Doombot!   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:49 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Cocoa Beach   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:12 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! alan   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:10 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! Hurricaned   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:12 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! alan   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:18 PM
. * * frances get stuck HanKFranK   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:35 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! spoo   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:26 PM
. * * Re: I find the Orlando information confusing! casps   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:09 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Tropic Mark   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic AgentB   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:18 PM
. * * New Vortex wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Re: New Vortex caneman   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:11 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:59 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Rabbit   Thu Sep 02 2004 08:58 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Colleen A.   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic elcuco   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:19 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:10 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:20 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:25 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic clyde w.   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:30 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic BillD   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:57 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Chopper Davie   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:27 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Doombot!   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:28 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic Chopper Davie   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:34 PM
. * * another 6 hours.... rickonboat   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:32 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Todd   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:55 PM
. * * San Salvador.... rickonboat   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:07 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:02 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Todd   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:05 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:10 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... SirCane   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:22 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Rabbit   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:29 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Ricreig   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:32 AM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... meto   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:51 AM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:40 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Karen   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:15 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 11:23 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... AgentB   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:42 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... 52255225   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... Todd   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:35 PM
. * * New Eye Reformation? SoonerShawn   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:42 PM
. * * 5pm Advisory StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:37 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory DroopGB31   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:47 PM
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. * * Re: 5pm Advisory AgentB   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:11 AM
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. * * Re: 5pm Advisory spook   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:28 AM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory wxman007   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:52 PM
. * * Re: 5pm Advisory spook   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:12 PM
. * * Re: another 6 hours.... 52255225   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:35 PM
. * * Lower wind speed at landfall? StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:34 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? clyde w.   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:37 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? StormHound   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:44 PM
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. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? LI Phil   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:55 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? cas   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:57 PM
. * * Re: Lower wind speed at landfall? casps   Thu Sep 02 2004 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Still on Track TD#9 forms in Eastern Atlantic jth   Thu Sep 02 2004 09:01 PM
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