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Newly tagged Invest 91L in the Central American Gyre heading towards MX/TX, a slow and sprawling flood threat. Bahamas hybrid well E of FL 10%/30% odd and expected to track back to the W across FL or SE US this week.
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      Fri Sep 03 2004 03:58 AM

in my case maybe more than a grain, as of the listed i do not carry a met. degree. that said i've got a scenario-discussion for the overnight.
the convective pattern in the storm right now reminds me a little of bonnie (not this year's bonnie, the one in '98). different animal as far as synoptic conditions, but the storm got a wopperjawed inner core a couple days before landfall and never got it's act together on the way in. that may translate to our current system, as the eye seems to have collapsed and the pressure is stuck near 950. the system should at least maintain itself on the way in.. but if tomorrow morning the pressure has jumped up in the 960s it may in fact be one of those magical weakenings not officially forecast, but a saving grace in terms of intensity. remember, as phil likes to remind the board.. damage increases multiplicatively as the wind speed increases.. 125mph is well below 145mph in terms of damage potential... even if only a category down.
the other thing to watch for is what forecaster stewart (seems to have quite a following) mentions as a late game window for the storm to recharge.. after 24hr the current moderate shear regime is forecast to abate.. and the storm will be over gulf stream waters at the time. calculate that with what clark mentioned about a large envelope storm being less likely to strengthen up to landfall.. and it makes the steady state seem the best option. of course the storm may restructure itself and be back to it's former state tomorrow, but this evening brought what could be great news.. frances may have had it's edge taken off.
late mention of elsewheres..
td 9 signature improving, despite uncertainty with its center.. should become comrade ivan tomorrow. my idea with the storm is right edge of envelope, with significant strengthening as it nears the islands. tentative, but i'd trust it more than my official line on frances (ga/cat4). also, i was doing better with frances five days ago.. for good measure.
97L persists, moving slowly wnw. ridging should build back over it, give it a real development window. i'm not sure on whether it goes out or lingers behind the trough and resumes west. fully dependent on strength and timing... and that's as easy as calling a pitch against a pitcher you've never hit against.
such is the tropics as we enter september 3rd.
HF 0356z03september

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* Frances at 11PM MikeCAdministrator Fri Sep 03 2004 03:58 AM
. * * The gulfstream Alex.K   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:05 AM
. * * Re: The gulfstream JG   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:09 AM
. * * Weakening Rabbit   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:52 AM
. * * Re: Weakening JG   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:07 AM
. * * Re: Weakening danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:10 AM
. * * slow down.. bobbi   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:58 AM
. * * Re:Glad to be In javlin   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:47 AM
. * * Movement? SonnerShawn   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:55 AM
. * * Re: Movement? SoonerShawn   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Movement? danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:09 AM
. * * TWC Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:34 AM
. * * The trend over? Alex.K   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:23 AM
. * * Here's the rub... LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:43 AM
. * * Re: Here's the rub... Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:53 AM
. * * Frances seems to be crawing at the moment Frank P   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:21 AM
. * * Re: Weakening BabyCat   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:21 AM
. * * Re: Weakening Jamiewx   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:58 AM
. * * Re: Weakening Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:04 AM
. * * Re: Weakening jth   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:00 AM
. * * Re: Weakening danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:04 AM
. * * Re: Weakening Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:28 AM
. * * Re: Weakening HCW   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:58 AM
. * * Re: Weakening jaybythebay   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:01 AM
. * * Folks, please... LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:10 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:41 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... FromUpNorth   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:05 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:09 AM
. * * hey jason..and Phil and NHC bobbi   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:20 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:30 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC scottsvb1   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:42 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC LI Phil   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:09 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:18 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:26 AM
. * * Re: recon john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:39 AM
. * * Re:sats john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:54 AM
. * * Re:sats jth off   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:56 AM
. * * Re:sats bck john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:58 AM
. * * Re:sats bck jth off   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:59 AM
. * * Re:sats bck Humanriff   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:02 AM
. * * Re:sats bck john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:04 AM
. * * Re:sats bck john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:01 AM
. * * Re:sats bck danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:05 AM
. * * Re:sats bck john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:06 AM
. * * Re:sats bck danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:11 AM
. * * Re:sats bck john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:15 AM
. * * Re:Orange danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:25 AM
. * * Re:Orange john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:37 AM
. * * Re:NWS Miami update danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:34 AM
. * * Re:NWS Key West update danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:43 AM
. * * Re:NWS Key West update john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:46 AM
. * * Re:LSU danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:49 AM
. * * Re:LSU john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:52 AM
. * * Re:LSU Becky1322   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:15 AM
. * * Re:LSU danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:06 AM
. * * Re: sat john03   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:15 AM
. * * Re: sat danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:35 AM
. * * Re:LSU scottsvb1   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:11 AM
. * * Re:LSU 666   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:03 AM
. * * Re:LSU LadyStorm   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:09 PM
. * * Frances continues to weaken berrywr   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:17 AM
. * * Re: Frances continues to weaken danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:25 AM
. * * Following Lowest Pressure berrywr   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:36 AM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure firestar_1   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:14 PM
. * * Track WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure LeftOrlando   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:20 PM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure berrywr   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:43 AM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure LakeCountySeat   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:47 AM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:41 AM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure rmbjoe1954   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:49 AM
. * * Re: Just in Time danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:47 AM
. * * Re: Following Lowest Pressure scottsvb1   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:40 AM
. * * Subsidence W of Frances? berrywr   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:51 AM
. * * Is Frances a dud? Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 03 2004 09:09 AM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? 52255225   Fri Sep 03 2004 11:53 AM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? RevUp   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:13 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? Rasvar   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:05 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? HanKFranK   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:05 PM
. * * Seems like they always....... Frank P   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:43 PM
. * * Re: Seems like they always....... Jeffmidtown   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:56 PM
. * * Re: Seems like they always....... DMFischer   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? 52255225   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:21 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? HCW   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:31 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? Rasvar   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:29 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? Ed in Va   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:34 PM
. * * Re: Is Frances a dud? maxwellincfl   Fri Sep 03 2004 12:52 PM
. * * Re: Color Sat pic danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:55 AM
. * * Re: LSU Sat pic danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 09:05 AM
. * * Re: Frances continues to weaken scottsvb1   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:29 AM
. * * Re: Frances continues to weaken scottsvb1   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:22 AM
. * * Re:Dud danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 08:12 AM
. * * Re: ridge fred08   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:34 AM
. * * Re:Orange Timothy   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:30 AM
. * * Re:sats bck scottsvb1   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:18 AM
. * * Ivan and Frances Bloodstar   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:21 AM
. * * Re:sats bck fred08   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:20 AM
. * * Tropical storm Ivan Matt033   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:33 AM
. * * Re:sats bck Rabbit   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:06 AM
. * * Re:sats danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:56 AM
. * * Re:sats danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 07:00 AM
. * * Re: Satellites danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:27 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:59 AM
. * * Re: Maximum Winds danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:05 AM
. * * Re: Maximum Winds fred08   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:11 AM
. * * Re: Maximum Winds danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:16 AM
. * * Re: Maximum Winds fred08   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:15 AM
. * * Re: hey jason..and Phil and NHC HCW   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:55 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... FromUpNorth   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:21 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:27 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... jth offline   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:43 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:00 AM
. * * Re: think comeback..... fred08   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:17 AM
. * * Re: think comeback..... Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:23 AM
. * * Re: think comeback..... 666   Fri Sep 03 2004 06:59 AM
. * * Re: Colleen... danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:03 AM
. * * Re: Colleen... Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:16 AM
. * * Re: Satellites danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:48 AM
. * * Re: Satellites Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:58 AM
. * * I was wrong.... it is moving as forecast by NHC Frank P   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:38 AM
. * * Re: I was wrong.... it is moving as forecast by NHC Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:47 AM
. * * 0304Z Vortex message danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:41 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... jth offline   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:35 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... HCRay   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:41 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... FromUpNorth   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:34 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:39 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... FromUpNorth   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:41 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... HCRay   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:14 AM
. * * salt lick HanKFranK   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:58 AM
. * * Re: salt lick Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:27 AM
. * * Re: salt lick Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:41 AM
. * * Re: salt lick Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 05:00 AM
. * * Re: salt lick bobbi   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:07 AM
. * * Stewart's Discussion Colleen A.   Fri Sep 03 2004 04:21 AM
. * * Re: Folks, please... Todd   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:22 AM
. * * Re: Weakening Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:08 AM
. * * Re: Weakening JG   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:19 AM
. * * Re: Weakening Clark   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:32 AM
. * * I am here... wxman007   Fri Sep 03 2004 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Weakening jth   Fri Sep 03 2004 02:57 AM

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