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Re: Accuweather Track
      Wed Sep 08 2004 10:25 PM

Jamiewx -- that's pretty much the same track as the NHC. I'd imagine it's probably the same forecast, as deviations from the official path without clearly noting that they are not the official track forecast issuers are frowned upon.

With Ivan -- I've looked at a few more things here, and here's what I think as of now. Frances steering away will help to draw Ivan ever so slightly northward, probably in 12-24hr, as will a slight weakness in the ridge to it's north. The ridge to it's north is consolidating near Bermuda as opposed to further south, which in itself should allow a bit more northward motion. The trough currently entering the west has a punch to it, but it's awfully far to the north and I don't see it being able to punch downward far enough to completely turn the storm. The current flow pattern favors a gradual movement towards the southeast/south central Gulf, followed by some more movement northward, and I don't really see much to change this drastically.

Ivan should end up crossing extreme western Cuba in about 4 days, possibly also crossing the Isle of Youth. I think it just might miss Jamaica to the south. Projected time frame from the NHC looks good; if anything, I'd bump up the times a few hours, but that's not of much concern right now. It's too early to narrow a landfall point down, but I'd place highest odds on the region between Apalachicola and Biloxi, with slightly lower odds from Apalachicola eastward to Ft. Myers. I don't see this missing the coast and the Gulf. Those in the western Gulf should pay heed to this as well -- the longer this goes west, the more the danger to them increases.

Intensity -- with the current environment, strong outflow and an upper-low to the west to exhaust the storm, I don't see any reason why some further strengthening is not possible. I think most of it will occur as we get a bit closer to Jamaica and that intensity fluctuations will primarily be controlled by eyewall replacement cycles, but low-end 5 is not out of the realm of possibility. I mentioned this possibility awhile back on the temp board and still believe in it, albeit we're much further to the west now. I think Ivan is probably close to peaking for the time being, followed by some slight weakening (which may or may not end up reflected in the actual intensity products from the NHC), then perhaps another rampup after the next eyewall replacement cycle.

Of note is that the stronger the storm gets, the natural tendency is for the storm to gradually gain latitude. There exists a balance between the pressure gradient force, or how strong the difference is between a high and a low, and the coriolis force, which is the atmosphere's contribution to the spin of a storm. If the storm gets stronger, the pressure gradient force goes up as the pressure gradient tightens. As such, the Coriolis must increase, which leads to the storm to drift a bit further north.

Bottom line -- be prepared for anything.

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* Back and Tracking Ivan MikeCAdministrator Wed Sep 08 2004 10:25 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:28 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan Clark   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:53 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:01 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan wxman007   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:18 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:34 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan Clark   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:32 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan wxman007   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:40 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan DroopGB31   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:30 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan scottsvb1   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:17 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan LI Phil   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:20 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan recmod   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:43 PM
. * * I'm back / Frances Stats. WXMAN RICHIE   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:07 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan scottsvb1   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:29 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan clyde w.   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:14 PM
. * * Re: Back and Tracking Ivan ShanaTX   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:07 PM
. * * happy to see you back bobbi   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:12 PM
. * * Re: pretty w/sun Fred08   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:24 PM
. * * Re: pretty w/sun rd522525   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:43 PM
. * * Re: pretty w/sun 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:38 PM
. * * Major Hurricanes..Major Winter? Taking forever   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:43 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricanes..Major Winter? 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:54 PM
. * * NWS Tampa Earlier Discussion Jamiewx   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:09 PM
. * * My initial thoughts.... wxman007   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:06 PM
. * * Re: My initial thoughts.... DroopGB31   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:15 PM
. * * Re: My initial thoughts.... Jeffmidtown   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:26 PM
. * * Re: My initial thoughts.... 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:49 PM
. * * Before satellite data ShanaTX   Thu Sep 09 2004 12:05 AM
. * * Re: My initial thoughts.... scottsvb1   Thu Sep 09 2004 12:04 AM
. * * Re: My initial thoughts.... wxman007   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:26 PM
. * * Re: pretty w/sun BillD   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:28 PM
. * * Re: pretty w/sun DroopGB31   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:48 PM
. * * 11:00 ADVISORY 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:00 PM
. * * Re: 11:00 ADVISORY Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:04 PM
. * * East coast damage alan   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:24 PM
. * * Re: East coast damage gailmm   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:35 PM
. * * Re: East coast damage h2ocean   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:00 PM
. * * Re: East coast damage gailmm   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:34 PM
. * * the state of Ivan MrSpock   Wed Sep 08 2004 11:14 PM
. * * Re: 11:00 ADVISORY Wxwatcher2   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:18 PM
. * * Re: 11:00 ADVISORY 52255225   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:26 PM
. * * Hurricane Alley Spaghetti Run Jamiewx   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:35 PM
. * * MUST READ!!!!! SoonerShawn   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Ivan MikeG   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:54 PM
. * * Re: pretty w/sun trinibaje   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:32 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? Fred08   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:31 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? HMY   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:32 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? Fred08   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:37 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:32 PM
. * * Models MrSpock   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:50 PM
. * * something you don't see to often JHN   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:57 PM
. * * Wobble... SoonerShawn   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:53 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? Wxwatcher2   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:46 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? ShaggyDude   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:31 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? Tazmanian93   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:54 PM
. * * Accuweather Track Jamiewx   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:09 PM
. * * early take HanKFranK   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:27 PM
. * * Re: Accuweather Track Clark   Wed Sep 08 2004 10:25 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? Jeffmidtown   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:41 PM
. * * Jeffmidtown SoonerShawn   Wed Sep 08 2004 09:45 PM
. * * Re: bigger than Frances? BillD   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:42 PM
. * * Re: happy to see you back LI Phil   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:24 PM
. * * Re: happy to see you back docjoe   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:54 PM
. * * Re: happy to see you back Keith234   Wed Sep 08 2004 08:43 PM
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