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Colleen A.
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Re: Maps
      Fri Sep 10 2004 04:23 AM

After the flips and flops and the left/right/lefts of the last two storms, I decided I was going to put a binder together with all the information that's out there i.e., model maps, tracks, discussions, etc. for a quick and easy reference guide. Does this make me a total storm geek? Of course. Do I care? Absolutely not. It's a lot easier to look up information in a binder than to go back and try to find info from 2 days ago on the computer.

I was not surprised to see the track shift back to the east because Stacey Stewart wrote this in his 5AM Discussion this morning, in which he talks about how the main difference in the models is how they handle the development and future track of a mid- to upper level-low currently near 34N 48W:

Quote:

WATER VAPOR WINDS SUGGEST THAT THE UPPER-LOW IS STRONGER THAN ALL OF THE MODELS HAVE BEEN FORECASTING. HOWEVER...THE MODEL THAT INITIALIZED THE LOW THE BEST AT 00Z WAS NOGAPS. THIS MODEL HAS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT...ALONG WITH THE ECMWF MODEL...ON BRINGING IVAN ACROSS WEST-DENTRAL CUBA AND THEN OVER OR NEAR THE FLORIDA PENINSULA. THE UKMET MODEL REMAINS THE WESTERNMOST OUTLIER...WHILE THE GFS IS STILL THE EASTERNMOST OUTLIER. HOWEVER...BOTH MODELS HAVE BEEN GRADUALLY SHIFTING THEIR TRACKS TOWARD FLORIDA...AND THE LATEST GFDL RUN NOW TAKES IVAN ACROSS SOUTHEAST FLORIDA IN 96-120 HOURS.. GIVEN THE BETTER AGREEMENT AMONG THE MODELS ON THIS FORECAST CYCLE...THE OFFICIAL TRACK IS CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS FORECAST THROUGH 72 HOURS...AND THEN SHIFTED SLIGHTLY EASTWARD AT 96- AND 120 HR.




With the exception of the 2pm Accuweather projected path, the track has not made any dramatic shifts to the left OR the right since 5pm Wednesday night.

I'm not a met and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but based on several things I just can't see a track that doesn't having it make landfall somewhere along the west coast of Florida or just brushing it and moving up towards the Big Bend area. I can see either possibility happening, depending upon when/where/if Ivan makes a NW/N/NE turn, but I just don't see it as an AL/MS/LA storm.

Of course, this is just my unedumacated opinion, but I'm willing to stick my head out there and say, "Yes, this is a FLORIDA storm, more than likely following a polar path (south to north) and someone between the Big Bend and the Keys is going to get brushed or a direct hit and to go a little further, I'll say somewhere between Ft. Lauderdale and Cedar Key." If I'm wrong I'm wrong, if I'm right, I'll slap myself silly.
All of this of course, means that Ivan will take a sharp left turn and head towards Mexico for some tacos.

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* Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit MikeCAdministrator Fri Sep 10 2004 04:23 AM
. * * Thanks Sadie   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:17 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit captgene   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:26 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit captgene   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:54 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit/where this crap going? slwfreez   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:03 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit Bioman   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit BeachBum   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:49 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit Bioman   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:22 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:57 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:33 AM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit okiherdu   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:17 PM
. * * Map update SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:36 PM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit Clark   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:11 PM
. * * For what it's worth... Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:14 AM
. * * Re: For what it's worth... Rasvar   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:24 AM
. * * Re: For what it's worth... wezman1   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:28 AM
. * * Re: For what it's worth... MrSpock   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:34 AM
. * * Re: For what it's worth... Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:29 AM
. * * Supplies in Manatee County Gone Bev   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:39 AM
. * * Re: Supplies in Manatee County Gone Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:50 AM
. * * Re: Supplies in Manatee County Gone robynsmom   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:16 AM
. * * Re: Supplies in Manatee County Gone kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:58 AM
. * * Hmmmm StormHound   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:08 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:22 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm Rasvar   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:41 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:47 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:44 AM
. * * Scottsvb StormHound   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:06 AM
. * * Re: Scottsvb StormHound   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:09 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:52 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm MikeCAdministrator   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:55 AM
. * * S.E. Fla in the clear based upon Spagetti? MIAMIFL   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:51 AM
. * * Re: S.E. Fla in the clear based upon Spagetti? Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:06 AM
. * * Re: S.E. Fla in the clear based upon Spagetti? MikeCAdministrator   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:15 AM
. * * Maps SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:22 AM
. * * Re: Maps Bev   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:12 AM
. * * Re: Maps rule   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:42 AM
. * * Re: Maps belleami   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:53 AM
. * * Re: Maps Bev   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:05 AM
. * * Re: Lived in Florida BeachBum   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:12 AM
. * * Re: Maps Terry Johnson   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:59 AM
. * * Re: Maps Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:34 AM
. * * Re: Maps Colleen A.   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:23 AM
. * * Re: Maps SirCane   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:36 AM
. * * Re: Maps mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:00 AM
. * * Re: Maps ewilby   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:24 AM
. * * Re: Maps Colleen A.   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:08 AM
. * * Re: Maps mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:21 AM
. * * Re: Maps Colleen A.   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:43 AM
. * * Re: Maps mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:56 AM
. * * Re: Maps Colleen A.   Fri Sep 10 2004 06:08 AM
. * * Tampa Bay Area - Flood Waters Bev   Fri Sep 10 2004 06:02 AM
. * * Re: Maps scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:44 AM
. * * Re: Maps meto   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:44 AM
. * * Re: The Layout javlin   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:06 AM
. * * Re: The Layout SirCane   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:18 AM
. * * Re: Accu wx javlin   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:33 AM
. * * Re: Maps SirCane   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Maps juniorgirl   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:52 AM
. * * Re: Maps scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:29 AM
. * * Re: Maps sullynole   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:33 AM
. * * Tired of hurricanes... Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:09 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:17 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:21 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:48 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... andy1tom   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:50 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:26 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:31 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Clark   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:19 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... andy1tom   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:24 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... wxman007   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:35 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... andy1tom   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:42 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Kimster   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:41 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... wxman007   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:54 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:09 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... ewilby   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:34 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Colleen A.   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:49 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Sissy   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:52 AM
. * * Model Shift Bev   Fri Sep 10 2004 06:12 AM
. * * Re: Model Shift scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 06:38 AM
. * * I need to go back to bed Rasvar   Fri Sep 10 2004 11:30 AM
. * * Re: I need to go back to bed recmod   Fri Sep 10 2004 11:34 AM
. * * Re: I need to go back to bed GuppieGrouper   Fri Sep 10 2004 11:41 AM
. * * Re: I need to go back to bed Rasvar   Fri Sep 10 2004 11:51 AM
. * * Wind Field Maps Justin in Miami   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:25 PM
. * * Re: Model Shift seems in agreement bobbi   Fri Sep 10 2004 11:30 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:58 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:48 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 10 2004 05:59 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... belleami   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:33 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:35 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:36 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... jaybythebay   Fri Sep 10 2004 03:19 AM
. * * Re: Tired of hurricanes... mud1967   Fri Sep 10 2004 04:08 AM
. * * Re: S.E. Fla in the clear based upon Spagetti? BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:58 AM
. * * Re: S.E. Fla in the clear based upon Spagetti? scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:53 AM
. * * Re: S.E. Fla in the clear based upon Spagetti? scottsvb1   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:56 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm StormHound   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:40 AM
. * * Re: Hmmmm rule   Fri Sep 10 2004 02:15 AM
. * * Re: Ivan possible postponements Jeffmidtown   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:49 AM
. * * Re: Supplies in Manatee County Gone Rasvar   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:46 AM
. * * Re: For what it's worth... Martha   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:36 AM
. * * Ever so slightly shifting west.... is this a trend? Frank P   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Ever so slightly shifting west.... is this a trend? Colleen A.   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:18 PM
. * * GFS Model VolusiaMike   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:35 PM
. * * Re: GFS Model MrSpock   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:47 PM
. * * Girls Lie too.... Frank P   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:35 PM
. * * Re: Girls Lie too.... MrSpock   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:46 PM
. * * Re: Girls Lie too.... Colleen A.   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:57 PM
. * * Re: Girls Lie too.... MrSpock   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:59 PM
. * * Latest Vortex recmod   Thu Sep 09 2004 10:53 PM
. * * Re: Latest Vortex Colleen A.   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:24 PM
. * * This was interesting belleami   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:34 PM
. * * Re: This was interesting DroopGB31   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:51 PM
. * * Re: This was interesting kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:00 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting Heather   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:06 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:28 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting Kevin   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:34 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting Heather   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:41 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting Terra   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:50 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:04 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting HadItinOrlando   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:08 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:21 AM
. * * Re: This was interesting kelcot   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:11 AM
. * * Here's your 8PM intermediate advisory... Kevin   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:05 AM
. * * Re: Here's your 8PM intermediate advisory... Kimster   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:16 AM
. * * Re: Here's your 8PM intermediate advisory... MrSpock   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:08 AM
. * * Vortex translation Frank P   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:13 AM
. * * Models Jamiewx   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Models Colleen A.   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:04 AM
. * * Re: Models meto   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation MrSpock   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation Rasvar   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation Frank P   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:31 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation MrSpock   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:40 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation BillD   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:54 AM
. * * Models Wxwatcher2   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:04 AM
. * * Re: Models wxman007   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:08 AM
. * * Re: Models andy1tom   Fri Sep 10 2004 01:39 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation rd522525   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Vortex translation Kevin   Fri Sep 10 2004 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Latest Vortex Wxwatcher2   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:32 PM
. * * Grenada, Frances, Apprentice, RUReady for... LI Phil   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:23 PM
. * * Re: Grenada, Frances, Apprentice, RUReady for... Colleen A.   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:43 PM
. * * Re: Grenada, Frances, Apprentice, RUReady for... trinibaje   Thu Sep 09 2004 11:32 PM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit LI Phil   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:05 PM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit LI Phil   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:07 PM
. * * thanks for all the excellent discussion the gulf   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:55 PM
. * * Thoughts.... wxman007   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:14 PM
. * * Re: Ivan with Double Eyewalls? Weakens a bit Steve   Thu Sep 09 2004 09:12 PM

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