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Re: Jeanne Track
      Fri Sep 24 2004 08:03 AM

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One thing I have noticed is that NHC says NOGAPS (and to a lesser extent, UKMET) consistently seem to be moving these storms too fast. Is that a flaw within the models themselves, or simply the data they are programmed with?


I think it is a combination of both. I don't program for a living anymore, but program bugs, incomplete or incorrect data, transcription errors, malfunctioning equipment, and a whole bunch more coupled with a real lack of knowledge by both the mets and the programmers understanding of all of the realities of nature, all combine to make errors.

The models you mentioned often don't 'understand' the effects of future changes in the strength speed of change and location of data asssociated with distant but significant ridges and troughs often hundreds or even thousands of miles distant. Some do better with the future, some do great for near-term events, some do fine with 'normal' weather but as the storm gets stronger, perform poorly.

For these reasons and more, we have to look at the whole bunch of models and apply our own experience, training and common sense using the models as a tool like a mechanic uses a wrench or screwdriver....the models by themselves are useless in the same way that a wrench can't fix a car, but as a tool, both are valuable in the hands of a skilled person.

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* Jeanne Track MikeCAdministrator Fri Sep 24 2004 08:03 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Shalafi   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:29 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Fri Sep 24 2004 06:33 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track SOUTHFLAHAPPYGAL   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:15 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:23 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:51 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track LadyStorm   Fri Sep 24 2004 06:38 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track The Dave Cave   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:10 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track COgal   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:22 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:38 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track MissBecky   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:47 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:03 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track MissBecky   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:08 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:14 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track recmod   Fri Sep 24 2004 06:57 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:25 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track tpratch   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:57 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:49 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track 52255225   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:53 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track OrlandoDan   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:58 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:15 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:19 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:11 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track RevUp   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:32 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:46 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track VolusiaMike   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:55 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track 52255225   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:04 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track RedingtonBeachGuy   Fri Sep 24 2004 08:04 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track OrlandoDan   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:04 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:23 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track OrlandoDan   Fri Sep 24 2004 06:50 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Ricreig   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:12 AM
. * * My thoughts on Jeanne LadyStorm   Fri Sep 24 2004 05:33 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track Clark   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:38 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:45 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Track cjzydeco   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:05 AM
. * * Dry Jeanne Doombot!   Thu Sep 23 2004 11:54 PM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:16 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Doombot!   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:21 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:33 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Doombot!   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:44 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:51 AM
. * * Yay! Nite y'all LI Phil   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne danielwAdministrator   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:39 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:03 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:08 AM
. * * Landfall Timing Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Landfall Timing cjzydeco   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:23 AM
. * * Re: Offically said Ya'll are Wiped javlin   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:35 AM
. * * Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:15 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:36 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:50 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:53 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:00 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:05 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:09 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:11 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:26 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne SOUTHFLAHAPPYGAL   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:24 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 52255225   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:31 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne SOUTHFLAHAPPYGAL   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:37 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 52255225   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:43 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne scottsvb   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:55 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne cjzydeco   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:18 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:22 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne AdmittedHacker   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:05 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:53 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:40 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne Kent   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:01 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:08 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne BeachBum   Fri Sep 24 2004 02:50 AM
. * * Models Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 03:00 AM
. * * Re: Dry Jeanne LI Phil   Thu Sep 23 2004 11:56 PM
. * * Some Humor You Can't Refuse Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:12 AM
. * * Re: Some Humor You Can't Refuse RedingtonBeachGuy   Fri Sep 24 2004 07:53 AM
. * * Canadian in 60 hours Frank P   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:10 AM
. * * Thomas's 2 cents WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:14 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:45 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:52 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Colleen A.   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:13 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Fri Sep 24 2004 01:14 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents Frank P   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:23 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents AdmittedHacker   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:57 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents LI Phil   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:27 AM
. * * Re: Thomas's 2 cents LI Phil   Fri Sep 24 2004 12:18 AM

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