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wxman007
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Wow...
      Fri Sep 13 2002 03:18 AM

Awesome discussion...Kudos Mr Stewart...probably the best of the season!

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WTNT44 KNHC 130304
TCDAT4
TROPICAL DEPRESSION NINE DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT THU SEP 12 2002

TROPICAL DEPRESSION NINE HAS CONTINUED TO BECOME BETTER
ORGANIZED...AT LEAST IN THE LOW-LEVELS. SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND
SATELLITE MICROWAVE IMAGERY INDICATE THE DEPRESSION HAS A TIGHT
INNER CORE WIND FIELD WHILE THE OUTER WIND FIELD HAS ALSO EXPANDED
AND STRENGTHENED...MAINLY IN THE EASTERN SEMICIRCLE. A SMALL BURST
OF DEEP CONVECTION HAS DEVELOPED JUST SOUTH OF THE WELL-DEFINED
SURFACE CENTER AND BANDING HAS IMPROVED TO THE EAST. THE INITIAL
INTENSITY OF 30 KT IS BASED ON 2 SHIPS LOCATED WITHIN 30 NMI
SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST OF CENTER THAT REPORTED 30 KT AND A PRESSURE
OF 1003.6 MB. A RECON AIRCRAFT IS CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THE
SYSTEM.

THE DEPRESSION HAS ESSENTIALLY BEEN STATIONARY THE PAST 3 HOURS
AFTER LOOPING TO THE SOUTH AT AROUND 6 KT. HOWEVER...A GENERAL SLOW
DRIFT TO THE NORTH IS EXPECTED TO RESUME LATER TONIGHT WITH A
GRADUAL INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED. THERE HAS BEEN A MAJOR WESTWARD
SHIFT BY ALL OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE FOR THIS ADVISORY PACKAGE...WITH
THE GFDL AND GFDN MODELS BEING THE FARTHEST WEST OVER THE SOUTHEAST
TIP OF LOUISIANA IN ABOUT 24 HOURS. HOWEVER...INFORMATION FROM A
GULFSTREAM-IV AIRCRAFT OVERFLYING THE CYCLONE INDICATES THAT WHILE
THE MID- AND UPPER-LEVEL SHEAR HAS WEAKENED...THE FLOW WAS STILL
FROM THE WEST ON THE WEST SIDE. 00Z UPPER-AIR DATA SHOWS THAT 500 MB
HEIGHTS HAVE RISEN ABOUT 30 TO 40 METERS ACROSS FLORIDA AND CUBA
DURING THE PAST 24 HOURS...WHICH INDICATES THAT THE SUBTROPICAL
RIDGE IS BUILDING TO THE SOUTH OF THE DEPRESSION. THE INCREASED
MID-LEVEL RIDGING TO THE EAST AND SOUTH SHOULD GRADUALLY BEGIN TO
NUDGE THE CYCLONE NORTHWARD. WHILE THE NHC MODEL SUITE HAS SHIFTED
WESTWARD...IT IS MORE TIGHTLY PACKED THAN ON PREVIOUS ADVISORIES.
THE GFDL AND GFDN KEEP THE DEPRESSION SHALLOW AND WEAK...WHICH
PROBABLY EXPLAINS THE MORE WESTWARD TRACK AS THE CYCLONE GETS
STEERED MORE BY THE LOW-LEVEL EASTERLY FLOW. HOWEVER...THE OFFICIAL
FORECAST CALLS FOR A STRONGER AND DEEPER SYSTEM TO BE STEERED MORE
NORTHWARD BY THE BUILDING RIDGE TO THE EAST THROUGH 24 HOURS AND
THEN TURN TOWARD THE NORTHEAST AFTER THAT AS AN APPROACHING
UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH PICKS UP THE CYCLONE. ALSO...WITH SOME WESTWARD
UPPER-LEVEL FLOW COMPONENT IMPINGING ON THE CYCLONE THROUGHOUT THE
PERIOD...A MORE EASTWARD BIAS IS EXPECTED. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST
TRACK IS A LITTLE WEST OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK AND IS BETWEEN THE AVN
AND UKMET SOLUTIONS. IMPORTANT NOTE...A MORE WESTWARD TRACK THAN
WHAT IS CURRENTLY FORECAST WOULD REQUIRE THE ISSUANCE OF TROPICAL
STORM WARNINGS FOR SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA AND THE REMAINDER OF THE
MISSISSIPPI GULF COAST BY FRIDAY MORNING.

WHILE THE UPPER-LEVEL SHEAR HAS WEAKENED AND IS FORECAST TO WEAKEN
EVEN MORE PRIOR TO LANDFALL...THE PRESENCE OF DRY AIR TO THE WEST OF
THE CYCLONE SHOULD HINDER THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. HOWEVER...BY 24
TO 36 HOURS...THE AVN MODEL IS FORECASTING A WEAK RIDGE TO DEVELOP
ABOVE THE CYCLONE WHICH MAY ALLOW FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF MORE
SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHENING TO OCCUR. THE SHIPS INTENSITY MODEL WAS
CLOSELY FOLLOWED AND IT BRINGS THE SYSTEM TO 45 KT IN 36 HOURS.

FORECASTER STEWART

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 13/0300Z 26.6N 87.9W 30 KTS
12HR VT 13/1200Z 27.5N 88.0W 35 KTS
24HR VT 14/0000Z 29.0N 88.0W 45 KTS
36HR VT 14/1200Z 30.9N 86.9W 50 KTS...INLAND
48HR VT 15/0000Z 32.8N 84.8W 30 KTS...REMNANT LOW INLAND
72HR VT 16/0000Z 35.5N 79.5W 25 KTS...INLAND LOW



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Jason Kelley


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* As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away CFHCAdministrator Fri Sep 13 2002 03:18 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:33 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 12:40 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Carl   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:34 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away troy2   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:58 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:54 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away troy2   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:35 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:43 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Frank P   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:41 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away troy2   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:15 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away troy2   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:08 AM
. * * Cancel the shift west ... go east young storm? Frank P   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:22 AM
. * * Re: Cancel the shift west ... go east young storm? wxman007   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:31 AM
. * * Jason, Look at the shortwave IR Loop Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:50 AM
. * * Re: Jason, Look at the shortwave IR Loop Frank P   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:03 AM
. * * 10:00 pm probabilities, shifting a little back to the west Frank P   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:15 AM
. * * Hey Frank.. Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:14 AM
. * * Re: Jason, Look at the shortwave IR Loop Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:59 AM
. * * Re: Jason, Look at the shortwave IR Loop Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:08 AM
. * * Re: Jason, Look at the shortwave IR Loop Frank P   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:23 AM
. * * Good thoughts... wxman007   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:15 AM
. * * Wow... wxman007   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:18 AM
. * * Re: Wow... HanKFranK   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:35 AM
. * * Re: Wow... Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 04:47 AM
. * * a'ite HanKFranK   Fri Sep 13 2002 05:26 AM
. * * vortex message HanKFranK   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:41 AM
. * * Re: vortex message wxman007   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:50 AM
. * * Re: Wow... Rad   Fri Sep 13 2002 03:20 AM
. * * models shift a little west... Frank P   Fri Sep 13 2002 01:06 AM
. * * Re: models shift a little west... wxman007   Fri Sep 13 2002 01:41 AM
. * * Re: models shift a little west... Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 02:03 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:01 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:58 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Jeanine   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:55 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Jeanine   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:57 PM
. * * Geeze...forgot to log in... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:13 AM
. * * td 9 HanKFranK   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:01 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:35 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away 2 Pac   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:26 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away ROB H   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:09 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad ROB H   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Joe   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:06 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:10 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:26 AM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad caneman   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:19 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:25 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Joe   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:36 PM
. * * NHC wants to see something important before upgrading... Kevin   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:40 PM
. * * Re: NHC wants to see something important before upgrading... caneman   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:44 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad caneman   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:37 PM
. * * Re: Cane Joe   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:24 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Joe   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:17 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 10:23 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Kevin   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:10 PM
. * * 98L HanKFranK   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:42 PM
. * * Re: 98L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:40 AM
. * * Re: 98L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:24 AM
. * * Gustav StormHound   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:29 AM
. * * Re: Gustav Joe   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:33 AM
. * * Watch guesses wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:41 AM
. * * Re: 98L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:12 AM
. * * TD 8 StormHound   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:18 AM
. * * Re: 98L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:04 AM
. * * Re: 98L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:32 AM
. * * NHC Test model on GOM TD Frank P   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:06 AM
. * * Re: NHC Test model on GOM TD Frank P   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:23 AM
. * * HEY ANON Frank P   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:32 AM
. * * Re: HEY ANON ROB H   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:46 AM
. * * Mr. Kelly guestnickd   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:58 AM
. * * Loop-the Loop?? Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:15 PM
. * * Re: Loop-the Loop?? Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:28 PM
. * * Well... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 06:00 PM
. * * change of mind HanKFranK   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:50 PM
. * * Re: change of mind Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 06:00 PM
. * * I don't think it's gonna loop... Steve   Thu Sep 12 2002 06:37 PM
. * * Re: I don't think it's gonna loop... Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 12:19 AM
. * * Re: I don't think it's gonna loop... Anonymous   Fri Sep 13 2002 12:17 AM
. * * Re: I don't think it's gonna loop... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 11:26 PM
. * * Re: I don't think it's gonna loop... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 11:13 PM
. * * Re: I don't think it's gonna loop... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:36 PM
. * * Re: I don't think it's gonna loop... doug   Thu Sep 12 2002 06:50 PM
. * * trouble.. HanKFranK   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:01 PM
. * * Re: trouble.. Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:08 PM
. * * Not HF, but... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... caneman   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:28 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:49 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:51 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 09:03 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:55 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 09:00 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 11:15 PM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 11:44 PM
. * * Hey Jason tell me about the wave east of the islands Cycloneye   Fri Sep 13 2002 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Hey Jason tell me about the wave east of the islands wxman007   Fri Sep 13 2002 12:37 AM
. * * TD9/future Isidore Kevin   Fri Sep 13 2002 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Not HF, but... Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 09:03 PM
. * * flght level winds HanKFranK   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:28 PM
. * * Re: trouble.. Steve   Thu Sep 12 2002 08:16 PM
. * * Re: Loop-the Loop?? Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:40 PM
. * * Re: Loop-the Loop?? caneman   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:43 PM
. * * Frank P. Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 04:20 PM
. * * Re: Frank P. Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 04:27 PM
. * * Re: Frank P. Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:11 PM
. * * Re: Frank P. Steve   Thu Sep 12 2002 05:06 PM
. * * Re: td9 Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 04:06 PM
. * * Re: Mr. Kelly Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:16 PM
. * * TD #9 & 99L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:12 PM
. * * 99L Cycloneye   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:20 PM
. * * Re: Mr. Kelly troy2   Thu Sep 12 2002 03:02 AM
. * * Re: Mr. Kelly wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 03:12 AM
. * * RE: Uneducated Guess Rasvar   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:22 PM
. * * another HanKFranK   Thu Sep 12 2002 02:37 PM
. * * Re: another Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 03:20 PM
. * * nine HanKFranK   Thu Sep 12 2002 03:39 AM
. * * Re: nine doug   Thu Sep 12 2002 10:27 AM
. * * Re: Mr. Kelly wxman007   Thu Sep 12 2002 02:25 AM
. * * Latest Recon Ed DunhamAdministrator   Thu Sep 12 2002 02:49 AM
. * * Latest Recon Rad   Thu Sep 12 2002 01:12 AM
. * * Re: 98L Anonymous   Thu Sep 12 2002 12:03 AM
. * * Recon Vortex Message From GOM Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:47 PM
. * * Its official.... Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:53 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Rad   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:25 PM
. * * More on 98L. Kevin   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:24 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Rad   Wed Sep 11 2002 11:08 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:48 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Jeanine   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:15 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:17 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:18 PM
. * * Caneman Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:20 PM
. * * Re: Caneman ROB H   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Cane, Joe, Rad ROB H   Wed Sep 11 2002 08:58 PM
. * * Plane goin in this evening Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 09:12 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Tony   Wed Sep 11 2002 05:49 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 04:40 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away andy1tom   Wed Sep 11 2002 04:55 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away MoparMitch   Wed Sep 11 2002 05:52 PM
. * * gustav/gulf HanKFranK   Wed Sep 11 2002 06:28 PM
. * * looks like... HanKFranK   Wed Sep 11 2002 06:52 PM
. * * GOMEX INVEST and 9/11 rememberence Kevin   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:20 PM
. * * Re: GOMEX INVEST and 9/11 rememberence Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:38 PM
. * * Re: GOMEX INVEST and 9/11 rememberence Joe   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:46 PM
. * * Re: GOMEX INVEST and 9/11 rememberence caneman   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:27 PM
. * * Re:Just looked at it... Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:12 PM
. * * Gustav at 100 kts! Rich B   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:18 PM
. * * Joe's still up... Steve   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:07 PM
. * * Plan For Tomorrow Rad   Wed Sep 11 2002 05:40 PM
. * * Re: Plan For Tomorrow andy1tom   Wed Sep 11 2002 06:19 PM
. * * Re: Plan For Tomorrow Rad   Wed Sep 11 2002 07:46 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 02:43 PM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away 57497479   Wed Sep 11 2002 10:04 AM
. * * Re: As 9/11/2002 Arrives Gustav Turns Away Anonymous   Wed Sep 11 2002 12:46 PM
. * * 9/11 HanKFranK   Wed Sep 11 2002 03:17 PM

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