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Nicole thoughts
      Sun Oct 10 2004 11:20 PM

Note the last paragraph of the 11pm discussion & the statement about potential future development. This is what is called warm-core seclusion development, where an extratropical system acquires a warm-core by some means -- usually as the lower-level core becomes isolated (or, as in the title, secluded) from the outer, colder environment -- and usually results in explosive development.

The GFDL model in the cyclone phase space captures the storm very well currently and hints at this development, bringing the storm to a pressure below 960mb at it approaches Canada in a few days. For now, however, it shows a relatively weak, relatively shallow warm core -- i.e. weak warm core at low levels, cold(er) core at upper levels -- and this is a favorable scenario for such development as hinted by the NHC with the right forcing, as is expected down the line.

The global models have been predicting a significant system to move into the eastern U.S. and offshore later this week, providing the aforementioned forcing. Just this system alone -- perhaps the first significant front of the season -- would be noteworthy enough, but things could get really, really interesting off-shore later this week if things play out just right. I don't expect a nor'easter -- too far off-shore, among other things -- but some nice extratropical/quasi-subtropical development isn't out of the question by any means.

With the tropics essentially quiet otherwise, it's one to watch down the line.

Had the chance to drive through Matthew twice, once Friday and once today, going between here and Louisiana (even had the chance to meet another member of the board in person!). Driving in the rain is no fun, but that's about all it was -- a rain event. Parts of Louisiana really needed the rain, however, so it's not all bad -- just not all of it at once would've been better. It hardly had the look of a tropical system much of its life, taking on extratropical/subtropical features from its inception, but it'll go down in the books as the 13th storm of the year.

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* Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Ed DunhamAdministrator Sun Oct 10 2004 11:20 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Keith234   Sun Oct 10 2004 05:40 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:00 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Keith234   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:19 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Terra   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:06 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Systems Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:26 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda ShanaTX   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:02 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Keith234   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda ShanaTX   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:46 PM
. * * Hurricane Season 2004 Website recmod   Mon Oct 11 2004 06:59 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Season 2004 Website Anony   Mon Oct 11 2004 12:07 PM
. * * Large waves from Karl Domino   Mon Oct 11 2004 05:02 AM
. * * Nicole reclassified to Tropical Storm danielwAdministrator   Sun Oct 10 2004 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Nicole reclassified to Tropical Storm Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Oct 10 2004 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Nicole reclassified to Tropical Storm Steve   Sun Oct 10 2004 11:05 PM
. * * Re: Nicole reclassified to Tropical Storm danielwAdministrator   Sun Oct 10 2004 10:48 PM
. * * Nicole thoughts Clark   Sun Oct 10 2004 11:20 PM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts Matt033   Sun Oct 10 2004 11:28 PM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts Clark   Mon Oct 11 2004 12:13 AM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts Matt033   Mon Oct 11 2004 03:03 AM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts Keith234   Mon Oct 11 2004 10:42 AM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts Clark   Mon Oct 11 2004 01:16 PM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts Keith234   Mon Oct 11 2004 01:26 PM
. * * Overview of Current Weather Keith234   Mon Oct 11 2004 03:58 PM
. * * Back after a nice respite (for me) LI Phil   Mon Oct 11 2004 04:54 PM
. * * Re: Back after a nice respite (for me) Keith234   Mon Oct 11 2004 05:10 PM
. * * Re: Back after a nice respite (for me) LI Phil   Mon Oct 11 2004 05:23 PM
. * * Re: Back after a nice respite (for me) Redbird   Tue Oct 12 2004 05:42 PM
. * * Re: Back after a nice respite (for me) Keith234   Mon Oct 11 2004 06:29 PM
. * * New Invest Bloodstar   Mon Oct 11 2004 06:42 PM
. * * Re: New Invest Keith234   Mon Oct 11 2004 07:44 PM
. * * Re: New Invest HumanCookie   Mon Oct 11 2004 08:37 PM
. * * Re: New Invest Ricreig   Tue Oct 12 2004 02:17 PM
. * * Current Weather Overview 10/12 Keith234   Tue Oct 12 2004 04:48 PM
. * * Thoughts from Thomas WXMAN RICHIE   Tue Oct 12 2004 05:39 PM
. * * Re: Thoughts from Thomas LONNY307   Wed Oct 13 2004 07:55 AM
. * * Re: Thoughts from Thomas Storm Cooper   Wed Oct 13 2004 10:40 AM
. * * Re: Back after a nice respite (for me) Katie   Mon Oct 11 2004 04:57 PM
. * * Re: Back after a nice respite (for me) GuppieGrouper   Mon Oct 11 2004 07:34 PM
. * * Re: Nicole thoughts DroopGB31   Mon Oct 11 2004 03:34 PM
. * * Re: Interesting Read RedingtonBeachGuy   Sun Oct 10 2004 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Matt033   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:46 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Keith234   Sun Oct 10 2004 03:19 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Keith234   Sun Oct 10 2004 04:51 PM
. * * More Records For 2004 Hurricane Season recmod   Sun Oct 10 2004 05:17 PM
. * * Re: More Records For 2004 Hurricane Season ShanaTX   Sun Oct 10 2004 06:06 PM
. * * Re: More Records For 2004 Hurricane Season Keith234   Sun Oct 10 2004 05:25 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Nicole Develops Near Bermuda Rabbit   Sun Oct 10 2004 01:02 PM

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