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Re: "It's 1954 all over again"
      Sat Jul 23 2005 04:00 PM

I don't know that the water temps up in the NE US are all that much different than normal. Waters near-shore are warm, up to the low 80s during the day, but they cool back down to the mid 70s at night, a factor of how shallow they really are. The waters off-shore a bit are in the 74 degree range, actually below normal for this time of year (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/atl_anom.gif). Gulf Stream waters are about a degree above normal, but the waters in the NE US and along-shore are on average below-normal, and during the day so warm only as a factor of the diurnal cycle.

Another example of media irresponsibility: the following AP article absolutely gets wrong the reason why we will see extremely hot temperatures across the SE US Sunday into Monday (http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/12207115.htm).

"Tropical Storm Franklin strengthened as it spun away from the Bahamas on Saturday and moved farther east in the Atlantic, but blasts of warm air from its core were expected to bring extreme heat to the Florida peninsula."
--A warm-core cyclone is defined by having temperatures in its core warmer than its environment. Were there to be blasts of warm air out of the storm, it would be weakening -- not strengthening -- and for such a small storm, the effects would be very minimal. The only way for such a scenario to unfold (the storm bringing about warmer temperatures) were for the warm-core to make landfall, something that will not happen.
--The storm is already and will be even more so sufficiently far away from the coast not to have effects of subsidence on its periphery lead to warmer temperatures over land. Even if it remains near to shore, it would only affect parts of land nearest the coast -- and by that time, it will be north of the Florida peninsula.
--Most importantly, the large, strong ridge of high pressure currently over the central Plains is expected to move eastward, bringing about the warmer temperatures across the SE US...just like we've seen in the central Plains over the past week. We might touch 100 here in Tallahassee on Monday, for instance.

Pardon the rant, but I'd like to use that AP article as a learning experience regarding this storm, plus a reminder to challenge the common collective when something seems awry. People don't always get it right -- and in some cases, get it completely wrong -- and that's where education comes in.

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* Franklin, the Little Storm that Could MikeCAdministrator Sat Jul 23 2005 04:00 PM
. * * New Birth From Africa? 47canetoad   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:19 AM
. * * Re: New Birth From Africa? Steve H1   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:32 AM
. * * Re: New Birth From Africa? Random Chaos   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:49 AM
. * * Re: New Birth From Africa? WXMAN RICHIE   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:38 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could pedro   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:00 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Maybe maybe not   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:05 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Wxwatcher2   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:12 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Girlnascar   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:44 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 24 2005 04:16 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Margie   Sun Jul 24 2005 05:45 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Girlnascar   Sun Jul 24 2005 04:44 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 24 2005 05:06 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Margie   Sun Jul 24 2005 05:48 AM
. * * TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm Domino   Sun Jul 24 2005 05:54 AM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm Margie   Sun Jul 24 2005 05:59 AM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm ShanaTX   Sun Jul 24 2005 06:05 AM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm 00cj   Sun Jul 24 2005 06:33 AM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm HanKFranK   Sun Jul 24 2005 07:07 AM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm Margie   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:23 PM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm Storm Cooper   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:26 PM
. * * Re: TS Gert is born - earliest ever for the 7th name storm scottsvb   Sun Jul 24 2005 07:22 AM
. * * Franklin is weakening yecatsjg   Sun Jul 24 2005 11:08 AM
. * * Re: Franklin is weakening Wxwatcher2   Sun Jul 24 2005 11:35 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Random Chaos   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:54 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Girlnascar   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:59 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, decoupling? Tropics Guy   Sun Jul 24 2005 04:16 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Random Chaos   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:17 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could pedro   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could sprnghill   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:04 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could GuppieGrouper   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:29 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could emackl   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:34 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:36 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could pedro   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:56 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could pedro   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could pedro   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:08 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could pedro   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:29 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could EMS   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:00 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could rmbjoe1954   Sat Jul 23 2005 12:49 PM
. * * "It's 1954 all over again" LI Phil   Sat Jul 23 2005 01:26 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:00 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:18 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Steve H1   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:16 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:18 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:23 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:39 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:50 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:48 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:01 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:01 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:05 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:17 PM
. * * OT, but weather relevant. Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:21 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:24 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:47 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:56 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:58 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Random Chaos   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:26 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Lysis   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:31 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Maybe Maybe not   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:33 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Lysis   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:36 PM
. * * De-Coupling? Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:41 PM
. * * Re: De-Coupling? Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:24 PM
. * * Re: De-Coupling? Cocoa Beach   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:31 PM
. * * Re: De-Coupling? MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:40 PM
. * * BOC Storm starting to spin up Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:46 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:20 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:24 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up scottsvb1   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:31 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up scottsvb1   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:33 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up scottsvb   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:37 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up scottsvb1   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:58 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:59 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:41 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:52 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:47 PM
. * * Re: BOC Storm starting to spin up Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:04 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. maybe maybe not   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:40 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. MapMaster   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:37 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:45 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:03 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Steve   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:20 PM
. * * Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:57 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:03 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:06 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:16 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... scottsvb   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:05 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:08 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... HURRIHUNTER   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... FireAng8   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:02 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Shalafi   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:06 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... XLM   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... XLM   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:16 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:09 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:13 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:27 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:47 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:31 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Lysis   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:34 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:37 PM
. * * T.D 7 forms in the BOC Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:43 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... yecatsjg   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:48 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:58 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... yecatsjg   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:02 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:07 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:05 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Lysis   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:05 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:51 PM
. * * TD7 Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Storm Cooper   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... *DELETED* BELL SOUTH   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:13 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... *DELETED* CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:25 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:27 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:45 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:50 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:19 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... NewWatcher   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:38 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Lysis   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:40 PM
. * * The Weather Channel Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 09:56 PM
. * * Regarding T.D 7. Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:05 PM
. * * Re: Regarding T.D 7. Frank P   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:13 PM
. * * Re: Regarding T.D 7. Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:29 PM
. * * Re: Regarding T.D 7. Frank P   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:37 PM
. * * Re: Regarding T.D 7. Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:03 PM
. * * Re: Regarding T.D 7. ShanaTX   Sun Jul 24 2005 03:18 AM
. * * Re: Hello TS Gert... ShanaTX   Sun Jul 24 2005 05:55 AM
. * * Interesting note in the discussion... CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:29 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Ryan   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:05 PM
. * * Pattern favoring development Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:25 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel GuppieGrouper   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:08 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:14 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel ShanaTX   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:25 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Steve H1   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:25 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:11 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:33 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:38 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel KingTex   Sun Jul 24 2005 12:32 AM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel maybe maybe not   Sun Jul 24 2005 12:41 AM
. * * Dvorak Current Intensity Chart Maybe maybe not   Sun Jul 24 2005 01:36 AM
. * * Re: Dvorak Current Intensity Chart Random Chaos   Sun Jul 24 2005 01:47 AM
. * * Re: Dvorak Current Intensity Chart danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 24 2005 01:55 AM
. * * Re: Dvorak Current Intensity Chart Random Chaos   Sun Jul 24 2005 01:59 AM
. * * Re: Dvorak Current Intensity Chart Jamiewx   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:31 AM
. * * Re: Dvorak Current Intensity Chart Maybe maybe not   Sun Jul 24 2005 01:55 AM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:35 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel NewWatcher   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:12 PM
. * * Re: The Weather Channel MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 10:04 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... to my room   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:36 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:48 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:57 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... AlexK   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:07 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:09 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... rmbjoe1954   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:07 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Steve H1   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:10 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Floridacane   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:23 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Steve H1   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Floridacane   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:39 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... COgal   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:30 PM
. * * Starting the loop Cocoa Beach   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:35 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop its me   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop RyRedCross   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:07 PM
. * * Huri Hunter shut up. AlexK   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:10 PM
. * * Re: Huri Hunter shut up. XLM   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:13 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop Bloodstar   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:07 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:13 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:28 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop Clowny   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:19 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop tonythewop   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:56 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop RyRedCross   Sat Jul 23 2005 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop MichaelA   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:51 PM
. * * Re: Starting the loop ftlaudbob   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... rmbjoe1954   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:19 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... Steve H1   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:31 PM
. * * Re: Attack of the trolls... rmbjoe1954   Sat Jul 23 2005 07:35 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Random Chaos   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:28 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:01 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:19 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 05:00 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. *DELETED* MaoMaster   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:42 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:44 PM
. * * Franklin, but also looking south (and east) Clark   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:35 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, but also looking south (and east) Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:40 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, but also looking south (and east) MAN GOOOOO   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:45 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:27 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. MapMaster   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:31 PM
. * * Re: OT, but weather relevant. Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:35 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Lysis   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:10 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Steve   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:08 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:15 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Biowatch   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:09 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 02:21 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Steve H1   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:09 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:23 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Wxwatcher2   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:30 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MikeG   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:34 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:46 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Rasvar   Sat Jul 23 2005 03:53 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MaoMaster   Sat Jul 23 2005 02:20 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" LI Phil   Sat Jul 23 2005 02:22 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MapMaster   Sat Jul 23 2005 06:25 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" MaoMaster   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:12 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:17 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Steve   Sat Jul 23 2005 04:23 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" Steve   Sat Jul 23 2005 02:47 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" GuppieGrouper   Sat Jul 23 2005 01:57 PM
. * * Re: "It's 1954 all over again" XLM   Sat Jul 23 2005 02:20 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Margie   Sat Jul 23 2005 12:46 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could emackl   Sat Jul 23 2005 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Katie   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:46 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Keith234   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could HCW   Sun Jul 24 2005 12:01 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could GuppieGrouper   Sat Jul 23 2005 11:59 PM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Clark   Sun Jul 24 2005 12:45 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could GuppieGrouper   Sun Jul 24 2005 01:07 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could MichaelA   Sun Jul 24 2005 12:54 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could Ron Basso   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:22 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:38 AM
. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could MichaelA   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:51 AM
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. * * Re: Franklin, the Little Storm that Could MichaelA   Sun Jul 24 2005 02:59 AM
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