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t.d. irene heading out to sea... no threat to land?
      Wed Aug 10 2005 05:15 AM

thought i'd use the old header from a couple days ago when Irene was supposed to have recurved already so as to keep things fair and balanced after all.
speaking of wishcasting... every time there's a weak storm moving north of the islands progged to come west the references to Andrew start.. Andrew did this, Andrew did that.. a cat 5 analog is after all the best thing to use in every situation, as cat 5 hurricanes happen almost every week. really, i saw some smart person toss in dora of 1964... not bad. dora was already a great deal stronger, but the evolving pattern may be something of that ilk.
anywho, the status. Irene is being sheared at different heights... northerly shear very high up, sw shear associated with the upper trough that missed it at the outflow levels. this pattern caused Irene's brief improvement overnight to result in a decoupling today.. the mlc is still trailing the LLC a tad at this hour. dry environment, persisting shear and stack problems (real disorganization in my book) are keeping it moving just south of west and not allowing it to strengthen. of course there are still models killing Irene (gfdl and lots of the globals have been losing it for days).. but Irene isn't going to die. the scenario that bastardi outlined is coming into play with the escape hatch being the reorganization of the ridge around fri-sat. if Irene is far enough north at that time.. it'll do something like felix 1995 did. if Irene isn't... it'll come west like a rocket next week and hit somebody like a ton of bricks around wed. Irene has probably been at t.s. status all day (and yesterday... t-numbers are usually a little low on sheared systems with sporadic convection... the LLC with Irene has been solid). should get the official upgrade tomorrow and move west a little more quickly.. slow down around the weekend.. and either meander near bermuda next week or be accelerating and deepening under the ridge. potential impact is still tuesday, august 16th at earliest. it isn't certain by any means... but the configuration is there if the storm evolves correctly to verify what joe b has cooking up.
other areas... wave train is depressed, but an ITCZ focal area near 45w may activate as a tropical wave approaches. there's good low level convergence, a kick from a wave may start something. there's already a weak trough trailing se from Irene leading up from there.. there's the potential pathway.
that little swirl i was eyeballing yesterday tracked south of puerto rico.. showed well on radar.. then there it was running south of hispaniola today. tomorrow morning it should be passing jamaica if it hasnt' become indistinct. hostile shear conditions present, but they are lessening. that little bugger had better be gone tomorrow.. it's like an baby evil clown or something. creepy.
still waiting on the home brew. not expecting. there's a couple of weak impulses moving up ahead of the shortwave near the mid atlantic (hopefully what will pull Irene out of from the starting gate)... nothing doing. weak low still near the fl/ga/al confluence... keeping it moist over the southeast day after day.
t.s. fernanda in the eastpac has come up, so the atlantic should go active in a week or so. that relationship works often enough in this type of season. the ensemble means have ridging near the east coast for days... better hope the ridge is amplified rather than zonal to the east.. otherwise this is going to be a long month.
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. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene pedro   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene MikeCAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Beaumont, TX   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:42 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene firestar_1   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:55 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Bloodstar   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:21 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Beaumont, TX   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:26 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene zacros   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:36 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene XLM   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:36 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene none   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:37 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene none   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:33 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene VolusiaMike   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:47 PM
. * * Evolution of Longwave Pattern must be factored in future mvmt of Irene berrywr   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:03 AM
. * * A Few Cautions Ed DunhamAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:36 AM
. * * Do You Think Ryan   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:38 AM
. * * Let's not get too ahead of ourselves! berrywr   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:51 AM
. * * Re: Do You Think berrywr   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:09 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene hurricane expert   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:59 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene StormTrooper   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:03 AM
. * * CIMMS and Shear Analysis berrywr   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:43 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene JG   Tue Aug 09 2005 11:47 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene MikeCAdministrator   Tue Aug 09 2005 11:52 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene StormTrooper   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:15 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:46 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Frank P   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:57 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Old Sailor   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:53 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty StormTrooper   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:51 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty nl   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:54 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene damejune2   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:24 AM
. * * A few notes Clark   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:00 AM
. * * Re: A few notes - Amen! berrywr   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:59 AM
. * * 5 AM EDT Update danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 09:56 AM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update OrlandoDan   Wed Aug 10 2005 10:30 AM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 10 2005 10:55 AM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update OrlandoDan   Wed Aug 10 2005 11:07 AM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update Steve H1   Wed Aug 10 2005 11:33 AM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update Random Chaos   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:02 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update B.C.Francis   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:18 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update ftlaudbob   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:40 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update Fletch   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:48 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update MikeCAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:14 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update bamffl   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:40 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update NewWatcher   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:32 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update MikeCAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:40 PM
. * * ts??? ftlaudbob   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:35 PM
. * * Re: ts??? Ryan   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:39 PM
. * * Still a TD LI Phil   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:42 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD Wanna-Be-Storm-Chaser   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:52 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD Old Sailor   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:46 PM
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. * * Re: Still a TD Old Sailor   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:58 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD Steve H1   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:13 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD Ron Basso   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:36 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD NONAME   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:24 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:43 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD Steve H1   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:58 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD jbmusic   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:58 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:18 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* scottsvb   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:01 PM
. * * this site Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:07 PM
. * * ralphfl *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:48 PM
. * * Re: ralphfl Myles   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:55 PM
. * * Re: ralphfl NONAME   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:53 PM
. * * Recons Bloodstar   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:02 PM
. * * Re: ralphfl scottsvb   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:58 PM
. * * Re: ralphfl superfly   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:08 PM
. * * Irene's unpredictability disneyfanfl   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:36 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Big Red Machine   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:43 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability emackl   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:47 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Clark   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:18 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Ron Basso   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:48 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability crpeavley   Wed Aug 10 2005 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Clark   Wed Aug 10 2005 10:30 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability crpeavley   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:10 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Brad in Miami   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:12 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Ed in Va   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:21 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Ron Basso   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:05 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Brad in Miami   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:29 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Steve H1   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:34 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Fletch   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:38 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Wxwatcher2   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:05 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability meto   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:04 PM
. * * What will they say at 5pm LoisCane   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:00 PM
. * * Re: What will they say at 5pm MapMaster   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:46 PM
. * * Re: What will they say at 5pm *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:04 PM
. * * Model's Ryan   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:11 PM
. * * Re: Model's Ron Basso   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:24 PM
. * * Re: Model's Brad in Miami   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:42 PM
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. * * Re: Model's Todd   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:47 PM
. * * Irene Still A TD @ 5:00 LI Phil   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:51 PM
. * * Re: Irene Still A TD @ 5:00 Big Kahuna   Wed Aug 10 2005 09:13 PM
. * * Re: Irene Still A TD @ 5:00 BillD   Wed Aug 10 2005 10:05 PM
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. * * Re: Irene Still A TD @ 5:00 hurricane_freak   Wed Aug 10 2005 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Irene Still A TD @ 5:00 Bloodstar   Wed Aug 10 2005 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Model's Ed in Va   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:48 PM
. * * Re: Model's Old Sailor   Wed Aug 10 2005 08:30 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability NewWatcher   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:26 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Ryan   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:58 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:01 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability emackl   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:55 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability bamffl   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability Ed in Va   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:34 PM
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. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability MikeCAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:59 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability scottsvb   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:16 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability JYarsh   Wed Aug 10 2005 06:11 PM
. * * Re: Irene's unpredictability MikeCAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:43 PM
. * * LAST WARNING LI Phil   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:34 PM
. * * Re: Still a TD ftlaudbob   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:07 PM
. * * Irene will become a strong hurricane, I think Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:03 PM
. * * Re: Irene will become a strong hurricane, I think Ryan   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:12 PM
. * * Re: Irene will become a strong hurricane, I think Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:17 PM
. * * Re: Irene will become a strong hurricane, I think Myles   Wed Aug 10 2005 04:13 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update ftlaudbob   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:58 PM
. * * Re: 5 AM EDT Update nl   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:42 PM
. * * t.d. irene heading out to sea... no threat to land? HanKFranK   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:15 AM
. * * Last 2 QuickScat passes Brad in Miami   Wed Aug 10 2005 05:20 AM
. * * Re: Last 2 QuickScat passes Brad in Miami   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:09 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Gainesville, FL   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:48 AM
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. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Frank P   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:21 AM
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. * * Irene's winds danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:28 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene MikeG   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:22 AM
. * * Ship report danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:35 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Random Chaos   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:32 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Frank P   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:43 AM
. * * Ship Report danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:56 AM
. * * Re: Ship Report Old Sailor   Wed Aug 10 2005 03:07 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene ftlaudbob   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:36 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene *DELETED* StormTrooper   Wed Aug 10 2005 02:27 AM
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. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene StormTrooper   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:58 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Frank P   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:18 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene damejune2   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:41 AM
. * * Enough! danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:29 AM
. * * Re: Enough! StormTrooper   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:42 AM
. * * RECON danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:37 AM
. * * Re: RECON JG   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:58 AM
. * * RECON danielwAdministrator   Wed Aug 10 2005 12:12 AM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene dem05   Tue Aug 09 2005 11:43 PM
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. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene damejune2   Tue Aug 09 2005 10:54 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene berrywr   Wed Aug 10 2005 07:06 AM
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. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene meto   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:01 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:12 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Tropics Guy   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:24 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene ftlaudbob   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:20 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene VolusiaMike   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:35 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene Wxwatcher2   Wed Aug 10 2005 01:05 PM
. * * Re: Uncertainty Again with Irene damejune2   Tue Aug 09 2005 10:58 PM

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