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Unseasonably stout wave in Caribbean bringing enhanced showers and tstorms for several days, but lacks model support for development 5/26
Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 276 (Idalia) , Major: 276 (Idalia) Florida - Any: 276 (Idalia) Major: 276 (Idalia)
 


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Steve
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Re: Sunday Morning
      Sun Aug 14 2005 05:21 PM

>>This season and even last seson, JB has been off, waaay off on his hurricane forecasts.

I don't see how you can say that. He doesn't give "forecasts" on storms unless you read the columns (which I don't). He gives scenarios. But his forte is not in forecasting landfalls. He's better at seasonal analysis and pattern recognition. How anyone could come to the conclusion that he was waaay off in 2004 based on his Landfall Intensity Forecast is beyond me. His 2005 LIF forecast remains to be seen and verified. He's not bee great with some storm specific ideas, but he's also been better than the NHC on some (Cindy for instance and Franklin hanging out to dry for a while). He was off on Dennis, but only by about 150 miles from 6 days out. I think you're mischaracterizing his intentions and what he does.

>>To the point that I don't consider him a credible source of information anymore. Basicly it comes down to the fact that he seems to see EVERY storm that is moving West coming to Florida or New Orleans and it just isn't happening.

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I fell into the same trap with the NHC in 2002 and 2004. They weren't worth squat in 2002 (I know, I got rain from 7 different storms so I paid attention). Last year they over-relied on the GFS model and turned every wave to long tracked hurricane up at 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, etc. etc. etc.

>> appreciate and get much more accurate information from Clark and Ed and others on this site.

I enjoy those guys too, but they're not infailable as they'd both tell you. Hell, I've outguessed both of them a couple of times and I'm not even a doormat to the league they're in. /blind squirrel analogy

>>I guess it never hurts to read what JB has to say but in my opinion, he is wrong much more than he is right

This stuff gets bantered around the web, but how about some specifics rather than generalities. He's been wrong "how" more than he's right "how."

If you're going to use Joe Bastardi, you don't read a second-hand account of some Bastardi hater on an internet message board to form a conclusion. You have to learn how to use him. He offers clues as to what's going on in the bigger picture that can be interpreted down by the individual who wants to incorporate them into what they're seeing. He also is great for headsup on stuff most of us don't have time to research. He mentioned early this week that the NAO was about to swing strongly positive. I verified that by going to the NAO chart to see for myself. Sure enough, the 7-day lead has been outstanding this season and is calling for a strong positive anomaly in the North Atlantic. So if this verifies as Irene pulls out, the lower pressures will be in the SW Atlantic, Gulf and Caribbean. That's the kind of stuff you want to get from Joe B, not a landfall idea.

JMO

Steve

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* TD 10 is now upon us Storm Cooper Sun Aug 14 2005 05:21 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us pedro   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:40 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us MikeG   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:50 AM
. * * Final Advisory danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:42 AM
. * * Re: Final Advisory Clark   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:53 AM
. * * Re: WAVE LONNY307   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:50 AM
. * * Bye Bye Irene Wxwatcher2   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:06 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene craigm   Mon Aug 15 2005 04:32 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Rabbit   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:03 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:56 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 06:25 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 06:28 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 atwork   Mon Aug 15 2005 06:33 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:00 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 ralphfl   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:32 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Old Sailor   Mon Aug 15 2005 07:49 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 craigm   Mon Aug 15 2005 10:23 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve   Mon Aug 15 2005 08:27 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 damejune2   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:12 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ron Basso   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:18 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Clark   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:47 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ryan   Tue Aug 16 2005 03:20 AM
. * * the more things change, the more they stay the same HanKFranK   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:46 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve H1   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:43 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Ron Basso   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:40 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Brad in Miami   Tue Aug 16 2005 03:49 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 La Nimo   Tue Aug 16 2005 03:54 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 HanKFranK   Tue Aug 16 2005 05:04 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Storm Hunter   Tue Aug 16 2005 06:50 AM
. * * Ex TD10 making a comeback Cycloneye11   Tue Aug 16 2005 10:55 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback GuppieGrouper   Tue Aug 16 2005 11:30 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback MichaelA   Tue Aug 16 2005 11:48 AM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Ron Basso   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:10 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback NewWatcher   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:18 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback ftlaudbob   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:55 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback ralphfl   Tue Aug 16 2005 02:44 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback(?) Bloodstar   Tue Aug 16 2005 03:18 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Ryan   Tue Aug 16 2005 02:18 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback The Force 2005   Tue Aug 16 2005 02:06 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback Random Chaos   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:50 PM
. * * Re: Ex TD10 making a comeback NewWatcher   Tue Aug 16 2005 02:21 PM
. * * A Learning Opportunity VolusiaMike   Tue Aug 16 2005 12:04 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 La Nimo   Tue Aug 16 2005 03:14 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 fatmike   Tue Aug 16 2005 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 tpratch   Mon Aug 15 2005 11:58 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Storm Cooper   Tue Aug 16 2005 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Bye Bye TD 10 Steve   Tue Aug 16 2005 01:09 AM
. * * Down Time Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 06:46 PM
. * * Wave off of Africa NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:39 PM
. * * Re: Wave off of Africa Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:51 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Lee-Delray   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:33 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene Ed in Va   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:21 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene NONAME   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:42 PM
. * * Re: Bye Bye Irene CDMOrlando   Mon Aug 15 2005 05:49 PM
. * * The Tropics Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 04:02 PM
. * * Re: The Tropics Figment   Mon Aug 15 2005 04:04 PM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us MikeG   Mon Aug 15 2005 03:41 AM
. * * The Resurrection of TD10 TheElNino   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:26 PM
. * * Re: The Resurrection of TD10 CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:49 PM
. * * TD10 danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 11:57 PM
. * * Re: TD10 Ron Basso   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:21 AM
. * * Re: TD10 La Nimo   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:29 AM
. * * Irene danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 15 2005 12:06 AM
. * * Re: Irene MikeG   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:23 AM
. * * Re: Irene Steve H1   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:54 AM
. * * Re: Irene 52255225   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:32 AM
. * * Re: Irene John03   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:37 AM
. * * Re: Irene CaneTrackerInSoFl   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:46 AM
. * * TD#10 Coming back for more? Ryan   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:29 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? richisurfs   Mon Aug 15 2005 01:54 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? BrianW   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:26 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? MikeG   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:30 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Coming back for more? John03   Mon Aug 15 2005 02:33 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us LVG   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:41 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Beaumont, TX   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:12 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:50 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:44 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:52 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME pcola   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:57 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:13 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME GuppieGrouper   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:12 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME Beaumont, TX   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:13 AM
. * * Caribbean Waves danielwAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:17 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:26 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves ralphfl   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:52 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:08 AM
. * * Administrative Note Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:15 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:35 AM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Wxwatcher2   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:00 PM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:00 PM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Lee-Delray   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:11 PM
. * * Re: Administrative Note GuppieGrouper   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:27 PM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Lee-Delray   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:39 PM
. * * Re: CHANGES lonny307   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:26 PM
. * * Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:19 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:36 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Steve H1   Sun Aug 14 2005 04:52 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Steve   Sun Aug 14 2005 05:21 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:54 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Hurricane Fredrick 1979   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:09 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:42 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:50 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:44 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 08:37 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:10 PM
. * * Re: Still a TS JG   Sun Aug 14 2005 10:44 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 07:13 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning Kevin   Sun Aug 14 2005 05:13 PM
. * * Re: Sunday Morning NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:23 PM
. * * Re: Administrative Note Gainesville, FL   Sun Aug 14 2005 05:32 AM
. * * Long Range Model Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 05:02 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Clark   Sun Aug 14 2005 05:40 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Margie   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:40 AM
. * * why people listen to Bastardi LoisCane   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:31 PM
. * * Re: why people listen to Bastardi MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:41 PM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Steve   Sun Aug 14 2005 06:20 AM
. * * Re: Long Range Model Tazmanian93   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:49 PM
. * * Circulation off SW Florida Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:12 PM
. * * Re: Circulation off SW Florida NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:31 PM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* ralphfl   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:17 AM
. * * Re: Caribbean Waves stormchazer   Sun Aug 14 2005 03:45 AM
. * * Just love this sat loop Frank P   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:20 AM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop Old Sailor   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:31 AM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:55 AM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop John03   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:45 AM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop ralphfl   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:43 AM
. * * Re: Just love this sat loop damejune2   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:47 AM
. * * Re:sat loop NONAME   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:41 AM
. * * Re: another record possible? MikeG   Sun Aug 14 2005 02:48 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 and NONAME La Nimo   Sun Aug 14 2005 01:08 AM
. * * Re: TD 10 is now upon us Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 14 2005 12:48 AM

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