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90L crossing over Florida with flooding rains, strong winds and brief tornadoes/spouts. Next week eyes turn to W Gulf in active June pattern
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      Thu Sep 01 2005 05:15 AM

we're near the climatological peak of the season. pattern is continuing more or less like it was in august, but mjo is switching to slightly mitigating. activity still occurs on the downturn, so the active waves in the atlantic right now have modest chances at development. soi is pulsing, and when it does that you tend to get delayed-response activity in the atlantic, if other enhancing factors are in place... (enso neutral, early september, warm ssts everywhere.. yeah, thats enhancing).
so anyway, lee is looking flimsy, interacting with an upper trough and a couple of nontropical lows to its west. it may be absorbed by them, absorb them, or just weakly rotate around them. we've had storms not classified as such on a t-2.5 rating before, so the nhc's attitude is again inconsistent. lee has convection, but it really isn't any stronger than it's sheared cousin to the south, 91L.
91L has a t-2.0, and that's with a good deal of shear. factor in that shear results in an underestimate of strength.. well, you do the math. well defined llc with this, and deep convection flaring on and off the core today. the nhc says it isn't organized enough (it's just sheared), so it's a tropical low for now. it's working its way wnw through an upper trough.. and should be getting on the enhancement flank of an upper low immediately to its west, so it'll probably develop... over the next couple of days. nhc seems to be waiting on a sustained burst, based on the TWO lingo.
92L is trucking westward right now, and most modeling keeps it on a much further south track. it has a better chance of getting into the western atlantic and perhaps affecting the ne caribbean next week, but this is highly uncertain. the development chances are modest, as it is at a low latitude. good signature, though, so given a couple of days it may be something.
models are progging a large area of general low pressure from the eastern gulf out to near bermuda.. as part of the pattern pulse/upper weakness trapped south of the large surface high descending from canada in katrina's wake. this sort of pattern generates tropical cyclones near the east coast sometimes... potentially in the gulf, but most likely off the east coast. far enough east and it will likely drift out to sea... closer in a stalled, sheared, slowly developing hybrid type storm would be what we're looking for. most global models indicate something like this will be present around the weekend timeframe.
i don't really have anything positive or useful to say about katrina. staying detached because the facts make me emotional. there are repercussions that will be felt from this storm in aspects of all our lives. but i have no right to complain... for me the coming things are an inconvenience and a drag. folks i enjoy reading... members of our board.. are homeless now. my regrets are for them.
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* Tropical Storm Lee Forms, No Threat to Land MikeCAdministrator Thu Sep 01 2005 05:15 AM
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. * * 92L rmbjoe1954   Thu Sep 01 2005 03:27 PM
. * * TD 14? Bloodstar   Thu Sep 01 2005 02:30 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 13 Regenerates, No Threat to Land BTfromAZ   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:45 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 13 Regenerates, No Threat to Land BTfromAZ   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:28 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression 13 Regenerates, No Threat to Land Ed DunhamAdministrator   Wed Aug 31 2005 03:20 PM
. * * Storm Surge zmdz01   Wed Aug 31 2005 03:57 PM
. * * Re: Storm Surge bobbutts   Wed Aug 31 2005 04:39 PM
. * * Re: Storm Surge Big Red Machine   Wed Aug 31 2005 04:51 PM
. * * Re: Storm Surge emackl   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:31 PM
. * * 92L Ryan   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:36 PM
. * * Re: 92L The Force 2005   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:38 PM
. * * Re: Storm Surge HanKFranK   Wed Aug 31 2005 04:50 PM
. * * Re: Storm Surge BobVee   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:24 PM
. * * Tracking question oil trader   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:29 PM
. * * parade of weenies HanKFranK   Wed Aug 31 2005 04:55 PM
. * * Re: Storm Surge tpratch   Wed Aug 31 2005 04:31 PM
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. * * Re: Presidental Visit native   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:07 PM
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. * * Re: Presidental Visit tpratch   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:16 PM
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. * * Re: Presidental Visit firestar_1   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:04 PM
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. * * Sat images MikeCAdministrator   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:34 PM
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. * * Re: Dr. Lyons Big Red Machine   Thu Sep 01 2005 03:45 AM
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. * * Re: gas SkeetoBiteAdministrator   Thu Sep 01 2005 02:27 AM
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. * * Re: gas LI Phil   Thu Sep 01 2005 04:09 AM
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. * * september time HanKFranK   Thu Sep 01 2005 05:15 AM
. * * Re: september time DebbiePSL   Thu Sep 01 2005 05:56 AM
. * * Re: september time GuppieGrouper   Thu Sep 01 2005 07:55 AM
. * * Re: september time Margie   Thu Sep 01 2005 05:52 AM
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. * * New Orleans Mayor Rhino   Thu Sep 01 2005 02:53 AM
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. * * Re: gas bamffl   Thu Sep 01 2005 01:52 AM
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. * * Re: gas DebbiePSL   Thu Sep 01 2005 02:08 AM
. * * Re: gas VandyBrad   Thu Sep 01 2005 02:10 AM
. * * MS Power VandyBrad   Thu Sep 01 2005 02:08 AM
. * * Re: gas MikeCAdministrator   Thu Sep 01 2005 01:28 AM
. * * Re: New Orleans is a Tough town VandyBrad   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:18 PM
. * * Re: New Orleans is a Tough town bamffl   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:39 PM
. * * Didn't they have mandatory evac? Margie   Thu Sep 01 2005 12:34 AM
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. * * PM FROM FRANK P. LI Phil   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:44 PM
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. * * Re: PM FROM FRANK P. Big Red Machine   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:34 PM
. * * Re: New Orleans is a Tough town VandyBrad   Wed Aug 31 2005 10:05 PM
. * * Re: Levees Takingforever   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:41 PM
. * * Re: Levees BTfromAZ   Wed Aug 31 2005 11:13 PM
. * * Colonial Pipeline Dougyd   Thu Sep 01 2005 12:47 AM
. * * Re: Levees VandyBrad   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Levees JulieTampa   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:27 PM
. * * Re: Levees jbmusic   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:27 PM
. * * NO evacuations Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 31 2005 09:03 PM
. * * Re: Levees emackl   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:42 PM
. * * children of the disaster Katie   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:57 PM
. * * death toll HanKFranK   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:16 PM
. * * Re: death toll BTfromAZ   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:27 PM
. * * Re: storm tracks Big Red Machine   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:47 PM
. * * Re: Presidental Visit The Force 2005   Wed Aug 31 2005 05:54 PM
. * * Jet Ski's Rick on boat in Mobile   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:11 PM
. * * Re: Jet Ski's Big Red Machine   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:36 PM
. * * Requested Help Wingman51   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:48 PM
. * * Re: Requested Help BTfromAZ   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Requested Help Wingman51   Wed Aug 31 2005 07:05 PM
. * * Re: Jesafe in FL? Juls   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:47 PM
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. * * Re: Jet Ski's The Force 2005   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:16 PM
. * * Re: Jet Ski's NewWatcher   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:19 PM
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. * * Re: Jet Ski's The Force 2005   Wed Aug 31 2005 06:22 PM
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