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Re: Wilma Article
      Mon Nov 07 2005 12:34 PM

The Category rating is linked to the highest one-minute sustained winds that are found somewhere in the storm...this does not mean that the entire area that the storm passed over experienced these highest sustained-wind conditions. Also, wind gusts do not count towards the Category rating. It is very possible to receive a high gust even with a Cat 1 storm.

The newspaper article is entirely consistent with the Cat 3 rating, acknowledging, essentially, that somewhere possibly in the everglades there was a small area on the coast that did experience sustained Cat 3 winds, but also entirely correct in stating that no instruments in any of the areas of SFL recorded anything but Cat 1 sust winds, and if Cat 2 sust winds were experienced, it was likely over a very small area of SFL.

Note that with Dennis there was only one instrument that recorded one-minute sust winds supporting Dennis's Cat rating at landfall, and that there were some places where Dennis's strongest winds did not drop down to ground level, so that many places did not experience high winds with Dennis, but nevertheless the Cat rating was valid.

Now I was very put out with the AOML wind analysis for Katrina and even posted the same somewhere else on the board...haven't even had time to go correct the gross error I made in the post, which was some of the diagrams used mph and some kts. Now even with that adjustment, the wind gusts measured by NWS stations for Katrina do seem to indicate sustained windspeeds a little higher than the AOML model, but over time I have changed my mind and believe that the model is much closer to truth than I believed at first. My main disagreement with the model is that I believe right on the coast the higher winds that are just offshore are experienced and that the friction with land builds up over the first say 1/2 mile to 1 1/2 mile inland. The feedback I had received about extreme wind damage was actually very close to the coast, much closer than I had realized at first, less than a 1/2 mile from the coast.

So overall I do not have a problem with the AOML model except it may be a little low, but not a whole lot, certainly not an entire Cat rating.

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* November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean MikeCAdministrator Mon Nov 07 2005 12:34 PM
. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean Wingman51   Fri Nov 04 2005 08:35 AM
. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean Margie   Fri Nov 04 2005 12:32 PM
. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean danielwAdministrator   Sat Nov 05 2005 05:25 AM
. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean Margie   Sat Nov 05 2005 10:08 AM
. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean Storm Hunter   Sun Nov 06 2005 04:29 PM
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. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean Storm Hunter   Mon Nov 07 2005 01:22 AM
. * * Re: Wilam Article Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 07 2005 09:14 AM
. * * Re: Wilam Article ftlaudbob   Mon Nov 07 2005 09:31 AM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 07 2005 09:45 AM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Margie   Mon Nov 07 2005 12:34 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article HanKFranK   Mon Nov 07 2005 04:41 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Margie   Mon Nov 07 2005 05:54 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Lysis   Mon Nov 07 2005 06:45 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Margie   Mon Nov 07 2005 10:46 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article ftlaudbob   Tue Nov 08 2005 09:56 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Tropics Guy   Tue Nov 08 2005 10:14 PM
. * * Re: Wilma Article Random Chaos   Wed Nov 09 2005 07:14 AM
. * * looking out HanKFranK   Tue Nov 08 2005 01:41 AM
. * * Re: looking out Doombot!   Thu Nov 10 2005 02:29 AM
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. * * Re: looking out Clark   Thu Nov 10 2005 11:58 AM
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. * * Re: looking out *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* Margie   Fri Nov 11 2005 08:56 PM
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. * * Re: TD 27 Margie   Sun Nov 13 2005 10:16 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Hurricane Dad   Sun Nov 13 2005 10:44 PM
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. * * Re: looking out Clark   Thu Nov 10 2005 06:10 PM
. * * Re: looking out *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* Lee-Delray   Thu Nov 10 2005 05:14 PM
. * * Re: looking out Random Chaos   Thu Nov 10 2005 05:50 PM
. * * Re: looking out Lee-Delray   Thu Nov 10 2005 05:37 PM
. * * Re: looking out Margie   Thu Nov 10 2005 06:11 PM
. * * Re: looking out Lee-Delray   Thu Nov 10 2005 07:54 AM
. * * Re: looking out Margie   Thu Nov 10 2005 11:32 AM
. * * Re: November, Slow But Watching the Southwestern Caribbean doug   Fri Nov 04 2005 12:32 PM

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