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things going crazy
      Tue Nov 15 2005 06:56 PM

okay, looks like i'm going to get my sw caribbean feature. and 27 shouldn't be able to stop it, which i was wrong about the other day. it's becoming too well-defined. no dvorak classification on it but i'd guess it's a 1.5. you can SEE the low cloud motions swirling around it's broad center.. the little feature that cycloidally looped off the nw colombia coast the other day appears to be what this thing is focusing around. appears to be moving slowly... as all that anticyclonic ridging aloft evacuates thunderstorms and causes pressures to fall dynamically.. it should tighten up and become a classified system tomorrow. as it becomes a defined system it should begin to move westward... and end up moving ashore in nicaragua later on thursday i'm guessing. it's very broad, so it might still be acting up on the pacific side.
to the east td 27 is getting under progressively less shear. its proximity to the developing system to the west should make continued development slow. the recon mission today found 41kt flight level winds, which usually equates to a tropical storm.. but they've gone on the side of conservatism. center is poorly defined, partially due to its speed. the strong easterly flow to the north is pushing it right along, but even so shear is decreasing and the center seems to be clinging to and refiring convection to the east. ssd has rated it a 2.5 tropical storm for three consecutive cycles... collectively the evidence for upgrading it seems to be there. the convective signature should become much clearer some time overnight, even though the nhc advisories have mentioned it 'needing to survive the next 24 hours shear' in every one of the recent advisories. the upper cloud motions and rate of shear reduction suggest to me that it'll fnally get through pretty soon, as well as the gfs termination of the westerly 200mb vectors just beyond its location. another recon should be in tonight, so we'll know one way or another. as it goes further west it should still develop more or less along the lines of the earlier idea... perhaps a little less so, due to competition with the other system. the other system should cross central america, however, while 27 should get hung up by height falls to the nw, giving it an eventually different fate. the global consensus in the long term turns it ne after a stall, kinda like what i was thinking... only the tracks have now shifted further south, closer to eastern cuba. looks about right.
in the middle to long term, other things are showing up. the deep layer system forecast to dig in northeast of the caribbean has a non-development profile in the models, but only a little change and the potential exists for a drill-down. around ten days out, with a deep trough in the east, a block near greenland, and a corresponding deep layer system in the eastern atlantic from the strong nao-negative configuration... whatever is cut off over there may also make a run at hybrid development. the shear profiles from the extremely amplified pattern could potentially support such an outcome.
i'll throw in that the current severe weather tonight appears to be right on with bastardi's forecast step-down to cold pattern. the models are showing more cold air and a deep trough in the east next week...as a matter of fact the euro and gfs are showing systems that could produce winter weather around thanksgiving in parts of the southeast. needless to say i'm interested. the models haven't converged yet on particular shortwave features, but the basic pattern setup appears to be coming together. climatological fall is going out with a bang around here, looks like. something has to balance all that activity in the tropics.
HF 2355z15november

Edited by HanKFranK (Tue Nov 15 2005 09:12 PM)

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* TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go HanKFranK Tue Nov 15 2005 06:56 PM
. * * Possible TD 28? Rich B   Thu Nov 17 2005 09:12 AM
. * * Re: Possible TD 28? ltpat228   Thu Nov 17 2005 09:18 AM
. * * Re: Possible TD 28? damejune2   Thu Nov 17 2005 11:29 AM
. * * winds are the issue not the heat LoisCane   Thu Nov 17 2005 11:35 AM
. * * Re: winds are the issue not the heat damejune2   Thu Nov 17 2005 01:44 PM
. * * Re: winds are the issue not the heat typhoon_tip   Thu Nov 17 2005 12:51 PM
. * * Re: winds are the issue not the heat damejune2   Thu Nov 17 2005 01:48 PM
. * * Re: winds are the issue not the heat typhoon_tip   Thu Nov 17 2005 02:33 PM
. * * Re: winds are the issue not the heat dave foster   Thu Nov 17 2005 02:12 PM
. * * Recon & Wilma Brad in Miami   Thu Nov 17 2005 02:43 PM
. * * Re: Recon & Wilma Brad in Miami   Thu Nov 17 2005 02:46 PM
. * * Re: Recon & Wilma doug   Thu Nov 17 2005 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Recon & Wilma Margie   Thu Nov 17 2005 03:49 PM
. * * Re: Recon & Wilma doug   Thu Nov 17 2005 04:42 PM
. * * nothing yet, but it ain't over HanKFranK   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:17 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Hootowl   Fri Nov 18 2005 07:05 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over HURRICANELONNY   Fri Nov 18 2005 08:13 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lysis   Fri Nov 18 2005 09:36 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Margie   Fri Nov 18 2005 11:58 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Fletch   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:53 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Brad in Miami   Fri Nov 18 2005 01:01 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Margie   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:57 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Thunderbird12   Fri Nov 18 2005 02:08 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lee-Delray   Fri Nov 18 2005 02:29 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over doug   Fri Nov 18 2005 02:47 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lee-Delray   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:06 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Storm Hunter   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:15 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over DJINFLA   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:14 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over scottsvb   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:18 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over DJINFLA   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:22 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lee-Delray   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:30 PM
. * * Weather Report WXMAN RICHIE   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:40 PM
. * * Re: Weather Report Lee-Delray   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:42 PM
. * * Re: GAMMA IS BORN Tropics Guy   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:44 PM
. * * Re: Weather Report Storm Hunter   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:43 PM
. * * Re: Weather Report Clark   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:46 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Thunderbird12   Fri Nov 18 2005 03:16 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lee-Delray   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:18 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lysis   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:30 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Ron Basso   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:28 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Margie   Fri Nov 18 2005 12:47 PM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Lee-Delray   Fri Nov 18 2005 10:10 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Thunderbird12   Fri Nov 18 2005 11:06 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over lawgator   Fri Nov 18 2005 10:52 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over LoisCane   Fri Nov 18 2005 11:16 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over damejune2   Fri Nov 18 2005 11:33 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over jusforsean   Fri Nov 18 2005 11:01 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over HanKFranK   Fri Nov 18 2005 11:00 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over saluki   Fri Nov 18 2005 09:19 AM
. * * Re: nothing yet, but it ain't over Margie   Fri Nov 18 2005 09:32 AM
. * * Special Tropical Disturbance Statement Cycloneye11   Fri Nov 18 2005 09:26 AM
. * * NHC STDS 11/18 090 Mike   Fri Nov 18 2005 09:25 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go SMOKE   Tue Nov 15 2005 06:29 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Tropics Guy   Tue Nov 15 2005 11:29 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Steve H1   Tue Nov 15 2005 12:10 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Rich B   Tue Nov 15 2005 12:16 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Margie   Tue Nov 15 2005 01:04 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Rabbit   Tue Nov 15 2005 03:26 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go damejune2   Tue Nov 15 2005 04:25 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Tue Nov 15 2005 04:40 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lysis   Tue Nov 15 2005 05:21 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Tue Nov 15 2005 05:31 PM
. * * things going crazy HanKFranK   Tue Nov 15 2005 06:56 PM
. * * Re: things going crazy Toto   Tue Nov 15 2005 10:39 PM
. * * Re: things going crazy HanKFranK   Wed Nov 16 2005 01:47 AM
. * * TD27 demise?? danielwAdministrator   Wed Nov 16 2005 05:39 AM
. * * Re: TD27 demise?? Thunderbird12   Wed Nov 16 2005 10:01 AM
. * * Re: TD27 demise?? Steve H1   Wed Nov 16 2005 10:14 AM
. * * recon timetable HanKFranK   Wed Nov 16 2005 10:30 AM
. * * Re: recon timetable Steve H1   Wed Nov 16 2005 12:37 PM
. * * Re: recon timetable ltpat228   Wed Nov 16 2005 05:56 PM
. * * alrighty then HanKFranK   Thu Nov 17 2005 12:43 AM
. * * Re: alrighty then danielwAdministrator   Thu Nov 17 2005 03:02 AM
. * * Re: alrighty then UKCloudgazer   Thu Nov 17 2005 05:40 AM
. * * Re: alrighty then Hugh   Thu Nov 17 2005 06:54 AM
. * * Could get wet ina few days... Beach   Thu Nov 17 2005 08:02 AM
. * * Re: things going crazy ltpat228   Tue Nov 15 2005 08:08 PM
. * * Re: things going crazy Lee-Delray   Tue Nov 15 2005 08:25 PM
. * * Re: things going crazy HanKFranK   Tue Nov 15 2005 09:30 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go saluki   Sun Nov 13 2005 11:53 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Ed DunhamAdministrator   Mon Nov 14 2005 12:31 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Ed DunhamAdministrator   Mon Nov 14 2005 11:34 AM
. * * UK Met accuracy LoisCane   Mon Nov 14 2005 02:01 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 12:29 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go scottsvb   Mon Nov 14 2005 12:36 PM
. * * uk met pulls gamma north? LoisCane   Mon Nov 14 2005 02:00 PM
. * * Re: uk met pulls gamma north? Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 02:03 PM
. * * Re: uk met pulls gamma north? Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 05:37 PM
. * * Re: uk met pulls gamma north? HomesteadGirl   Mon Nov 14 2005 06:31 PM
. * * Re: uk met pulls gamma north? CoalCracker   Mon Nov 14 2005 07:26 PM
. * * Re: uk met pulls gamma north? *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 08:25 PM
. * * Re: uk met pulls gamma north? Random Chaos   Mon Nov 14 2005 10:35 PM
. * * take HanKFranK   Mon Nov 14 2005 11:49 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 12:44 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go CoalCracker   Mon Nov 14 2005 01:34 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Clark   Mon Nov 14 2005 01:23 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go UKCloudgazer   Mon Nov 14 2005 03:56 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go lawgator   Mon Nov 14 2005 10:14 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go lawgator   Mon Nov 14 2005 11:03 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Margie   Mon Nov 14 2005 11:19 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Random Chaos   Mon Nov 14 2005 07:36 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go damejune2   Mon Nov 14 2005 09:09 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 09:19 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 09:24 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go damejune2   Mon Nov 14 2005 09:32 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Lee-Delray   Mon Nov 14 2005 09:38 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go Ron Basso   Mon Nov 14 2005 10:10 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go mojorox   Mon Nov 14 2005 02:30 AM
. * * Here we go...again danielwAdministrator   Mon Nov 14 2005 12:05 AM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go CoalCracker   Sun Nov 13 2005 11:47 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go LoisCane   Sun Nov 13 2005 11:39 PM
. * * Re: TD 27 Active in the SE Caribbean--here we go lunkerhunter   Sun Nov 13 2005 11:25 PM

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