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Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras
Mon Nov 21 2005 07:56 PM

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Clark-

Why a subtropical and not tropical cyclone? If it goes south does it turn into a tropical cyclone?

...If I may...
- Subtropical lows are lows that carry both tropical and extra-tropical characteristics; these include a warm core in the lower levels, and cold core aloft.
- Tropical lows are strictly fueled by latent heat release and convective processes and therefore, are warm core from lower levels through the vertical depth of the system.

This system's origin was originally the southern aspect of a mid-latitude trough that bifurcated and pulled away toward the SW, as the trough was lifting out in the vicinity. At the instant of this sudden "cut-off" scenario, it was a cold core system left to spiral down in the vicinity. But the waters there are still mild to warm, but not quite 26C, but close.. Provided conditions are right, you really do not actually have to have the water temperatures be ideally 26C or higher; proven by the event in the far eastern Atlantic in recent times.

It is possible, that given time, it will acquire subtropical characteristics (if it hasn't already) and be subsequently named, because the surround environment is actually pretty good, featuring variable flow at U/A, and the oceanic heat content in the area is at least sufficient for slow development - provided the surrounding environment remains non-hostile. If the system assumes a S drift/motion, its chances would only get better for encountering warmer waters still... But, I haven't actually analyzed the SST out there so much of this latter thinking is based on climatological understanding alone.

Edited by typhoon_tip (Mon Nov 21 2005 08:09 PM)

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Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Clark	Mon Nov 21 2005 07:56 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Mon Nov 21 2005 08:39 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Clark	Mon Nov 21 2005 09:43 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Psyber	Mon Nov 21 2005 11:36 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Tak	Mon Nov 21 2005 12:20 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	HanKFranK	Mon Nov 21 2005 12:38 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Psyber	Mon Nov 21 2005 02:31 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Clark	Mon Nov 21 2005 05:41 PM
Clarifications	Ed Dunham	Mon Nov 21 2005 09:11 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Mon Nov 21 2005 05:53 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Clark	Tue Nov 22 2005 01:39 AM
delta time...	HanKFranK	Tue Nov 22 2005 10:35 AM
Re: delta time...	Margie	Tue Nov 22 2005 12:21 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	typhoon_tip	Mon Nov 21 2005 07:56 PM
Global Warming and weather events..	typhoon_tip	Mon Nov 21 2005 08:35 PM
Re: Global Warming and weather events..	ltpat228	Mon Nov 21 2005 09:38 PM
A little hint....	Doombot!	Tue Nov 22 2005 12:40 AM
Re: Global Warming and weather events..	HanKFranK	Mon Nov 21 2005 09:37 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Katie	Mon Nov 21 2005 03:28 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Clark	Mon Nov 21 2005 02:13 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	ftlaudbob	Mon Nov 21 2005 11:13 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Hurricane Dad	Mon Nov 21 2005 11:18 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Rabbit	Mon Nov 21 2005 11:36 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Mon Nov 21 2005 12:14 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Rabbit	Mon Nov 21 2005 10:04 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Mon Nov 21 2005 10:02 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Sun Nov 20 2005 10:17 AM
95L	HanKFranK	Sun Nov 20 2005 11:54 AM
Re: 95L	Genesis	Sun Nov 20 2005 02:32 PM
Re: 95L	Lee-Delray	Sun Nov 20 2005 03:26 PM
how about some predictions here?!	vineyardsaker	Sun Nov 20 2005 07:32 PM
Re: how about some predictions here?!	Clark	Sun Nov 20 2005 08:43 PM
GAMMA...Gone	danielw	Sun Nov 20 2005 10:54 PM
9 Days and counting	danielw	Sun Nov 20 2005 07:49 PM
95L and GOM Low	danielw	Sun Nov 20 2005 07:32 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Sat Nov 19 2005 09:44 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Sat Nov 19 2005 04:01 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	ralphfl	Sat Nov 19 2005 05:38 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	pincty	Sat Nov 19 2005 07:03 PM
Tropical Storm Classification	danielw	Sat Nov 19 2005 08:27 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Classification	WXMAN RICHIE	Sat Nov 19 2005 08:41 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Classification	danielw	Sat Nov 19 2005 08:50 PM
More points to ponder	danielw	Sat Nov 19 2005 09:18 PM
Re: More points to ponder	Old Sailor	Sat Nov 19 2005 10:37 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	ftlaudbob	Sat Nov 19 2005 04:07 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Sat Nov 19 2005 01:10 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Old Sailor	Sat Nov 19 2005 01:37 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	dave foster	Sat Nov 19 2005 01:47 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Sat Nov 19 2005 11:45 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	bobbutts	Sat Nov 19 2005 12:59 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	MikeC	Sat Nov 19 2005 11:37 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	srsarner	Sat Nov 19 2005 09:34 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Ed Dunham	Sat Nov 19 2005 10:01 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Clark	Sat Nov 19 2005 11:06 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Margie	Sat Nov 19 2005 04:36 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma Forms Near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Sat Nov 19 2005 04:46 PM
Bye Bye Gamma	Wxwatcher2	Sat Nov 19 2005 05:09 PM
Re: Bye Bye Gamma	Clark	Sat Nov 19 2005 11:10 PM
Re: Bye Bye Gamma	Lee-Delray	Sat Nov 19 2005 05:14 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Katie	Fri Nov 18 2005 03:49 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Tropics Guy	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:00 PM
Weather Station	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Nov 18 2005 03:59 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ralphfl	Fri Nov 18 2005 03:56 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Thunderbird12	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:00 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Margie	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:07 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Tak	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:21 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Rich B	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:33 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Thunderbird12	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:46 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Margie	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:46 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Rich B	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:21 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Margie	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:23 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Wxwatcher2	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:33 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:39 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:37 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Tak	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:07 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:12 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ralphfl	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:16 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lysis	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:21 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Nov 18 2005 06:09 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Thunderbird12	Fri Nov 18 2005 06:17 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	dave foster	Fri Nov 18 2005 06:43 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ralphfl	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:58 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ralphfl	Fri Nov 18 2005 10:30 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	pincty	Fri Nov 18 2005 06:49 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Dawn	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:04 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ChessieStorm	Fri Nov 18 2005 11:07 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	danielw	Fri Nov 18 2005 11:18 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	saluki	Sat Nov 19 2005 01:18 AM
4 AM EST Advisory...oops	danielw	Sat Nov 19 2005 04:15 AM
Re: 4 AM EST Advisory...oops	danielw	Sat Nov 19 2005 04:27 AM
Re: 4 AM EST Advisory...oops	Hugh	Sat Nov 19 2005 09:32 AM
Re: 4 AM EST Advisory...oops	ralphfl	Sat Nov 19 2005 08:00 AM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	pincty	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:14 PM
Why I think it's heading to Tampa	Bloodstar	Fri Nov 18 2005 06:36 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	Hootowl	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:03 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	Ron Basso	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:24 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	HanKFranK	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:55 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa Killed -- Sent to Graveyard	collegemom	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:33 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:48 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	weatherwatcher999	Fri Nov 18 2005 08:08 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	Major7	Fri Nov 18 2005 09:49 PM
Gamma	danielw	Fri Nov 18 2005 08:20 PM
Area Forecast Dicussion excerpts	danielw	Fri Nov 18 2005 08:34 PM
SHIPS forecast	danielw	Fri Nov 18 2005 09:02 PM
Re: SHIPS forecast	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 09:07 PM
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Classes and Recon	danielw	Fri Nov 18 2005 09:56 PM
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Re: SHIPS forecast	Hugh	Fri Nov 18 2005 09:49 PM
Gamma	Hugh	Fri Nov 18 2005 09:46 PM
Re: Why I think it's heading to Tampa	Hugh	Fri Nov 18 2005 07:03 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 06:07 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Tak	Fri Nov 18 2005 05:55 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma	rmbjoe1954	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:43 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Rich B	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:39 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:44 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:16 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	HURRICANELONNY	Fri Nov 18 2005 03:55 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras DELETED	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 03:57 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ralphfl	Fri Nov 18 2005 03:59 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	Lee-Delray	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:02 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	ralphfl	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:05 PM
Re: Tropical Storm Gamma forms near Honduras	HURRICANELONNY	Fri Nov 18 2005 04:05 PM

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