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Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast
      Wed May 09 2007 12:19 PM

Well, convection still isn't over the center, but it is closer to the center and of slightly better "quality" than yesterday. Also, as the NHC noted, the radius of maximum winds has contracted since yesterday, another sign of better organization. Thus, given the flat thermal profiles that recon found -- which aren't all that far off from what the models had shown, probably because of the Jacksonville and Charleston upper air obs and their trajectories -- we've got a subtropical storm.

In my opinion, it's still a borderline case, but given the proximity to land it gets the upgrade. If this were out in the central Atlantic, I'm not so sure it gets the upgrade regardless of recon status. As for impacts from this one, think Tammy from 2005, only on the opposite trajectory (southwest then south rather than north then northwest). Tammy was another storm with dubious structure that eventually brought an inch or so of rain to parts of the Southeast US.

NHC forecast looks good and reasonable; this is one where you really don't need modeling, at least for the intensity portion. SSTs aren't warming -- and in fact cool from here on out -- and the upper level temperatures at the tropopause aren't cooling, so it's like a TC over cooler waters in the East Pacific. A slow decay should be expected over the next couple of days, made slower by the fact that it still has a signature aloft.

It's been an interesting week for the storm system that spawned Andrea, starting off in Texas with two consecutive nights of MCS formation (including one night with a derecho) and progressing eastward along the periphery of the subtropical ridge that had been parked near Florida. The last TC that I can recall that had any tie to an MCS (large thunderstorm complex over land) was Danny in 1997, which formed in the Gulf after one such complex moved out over water and did not dissipate like most of them do.

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* Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast MikeCAdministrator Wed May 09 2007 12:19 PM
. * * Re: Not dead yet? Rich B   Fri May 11 2007 02:43 PM
. * * Re: Not dead yet? cieldumort   Fri May 11 2007 02:08 PM
. * * Re: Not dead yet? ftlaudbob   Fri May 11 2007 12:45 PM
. * * Re: Not dead yet? Rich B   Fri May 11 2007 12:20 PM
. * * Not dead yet? Bloodstar   Fri May 11 2007 11:59 AM
. * * Re: Friday Morning allan   Fri May 11 2007 11:52 AM
. * * Re: Friday Morning cieldumort   Fri May 11 2007 11:48 AM
. * * Re: Friday Morning nl   Fri May 11 2007 10:42 AM
. * * Re: Friday Morning cieldumort   Fri May 11 2007 10:19 AM
. * * Re: Friday Morning vineyardsaker   Fri May 11 2007 08:21 AM
. * * Friday Morning danielwAdministrator   Fri May 11 2007 06:41 AM
. * * on the slide HanKFranK   Thu May 10 2007 10:26 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Bloodstar   Thu May 10 2007 02:18 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast vineyardsaker   Thu May 10 2007 01:25 PM
. * * careful wording there LoisCane   Thu May 10 2007 12:23 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Hurricane29   Thu May 10 2007 11:03 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Hurricane29   Thu May 10 2007 11:01 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast danielwAdministrator   Thu May 10 2007 05:50 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Lamar-Plant City   Thu May 10 2007 12:03 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast weather_wise911   Wed May 09 2007 06:27 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast allan   Wed May 09 2007 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Rich B   Wed May 09 2007 05:46 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Clark   Wed May 09 2007 04:35 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast ChessieStorm   Wed May 09 2007 04:30 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Jumaduke   Wed May 09 2007 03:47 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Bloodstar   Wed May 09 2007 03:40 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast HCW   Wed May 09 2007 03:24 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast scottsvb   Wed May 09 2007 03:09 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast ChessieStorm   Wed May 09 2007 03:01 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast allan   Wed May 09 2007 02:59 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Bloodstar   Wed May 09 2007 02:32 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast allan   Wed May 09 2007 02:10 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Wingman51   Wed May 09 2007 02:05 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast scottsvb   Wed May 09 2007 01:33 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Clark   Wed May 09 2007 12:19 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Hurricane29   Wed May 09 2007 12:12 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Wxwatcher2   Wed May 09 2007 12:11 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast ftlaudbob   Wed May 09 2007 11:54 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast PutnamGator   Wed May 09 2007 11:09 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Rabbit   Wed May 09 2007 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Thunderbird12   Wed May 09 2007 11:06 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast MikeCAdministrator   Wed May 09 2007 11:02 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast ChessieStorm   Wed May 09 2007 11:00 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida/Georgia Coast Doombot!   Wed May 09 2007 10:56 AM
. * * Beaufort, SC feeling little impact Anton Ross   Wed May 09 2007 10:48 AM
. * * Andrea indeed LoisCane   Wed May 09 2007 10:23 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Andrea Forms off Florida Coast ChessieStorm   Wed May 09 2007 10:11 AM

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