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Unseasonably stout wave in Caribbean bringing enhanced showers and tstorms for several days, but lacks model support for development 5/26
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Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again
      Thu Jun 14 2007 01:29 AM

I'd like to make reference to both areas of weather in your post from least likely to more likely to have any shot at development.

Area 1.) The Bahamas...
Not a bad observation to recognize the activity over the bahamas, but this area is under higher levels of shear from an upper level cut off low off of Georgia, which is part of a string of now less than four(4) upper level cut-offs (Which are quite beautiful to watch on the water vapor loop. Link: http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/loop-wv.html ) ...This cut-off is actually sponsoring thunderstorm development and making this look like something more than it is. However, this development of thunderstorms is not of a nature that is tropical or subtropical. This area is not a candidte for development and as we see during this transitional time of year, such an area of activity will likely pulsate to the North East with little consequence. As for the next point of discussion, which is coming now...interactions of the earlier referenced cut-off lows would affect Carribean and Eastern GoMex development opportunities from an outflow standpoint.

Area 2.) The Northwest Caribbean...
Well, things might get interesting there. Right now, I give a 1 in 4 to a 1 in 3 chance of something popping down there. However, that is more like24-48 hours in my mind. The opportunity for amore favorable outflow environment may happen based on what is seen in the water vapor and there is some indication in the models. Let's tackle the water vapor first (Please revisit the loop link during this discussion). The upper low near the west side of the Yucatan seems some what planted in place. Grow more interested if this heads southwest or west. Second, the upper low referenced off of Georgia in the "Bahamas" part of this post is generally ENE. Whether the cut-off low westofthe Yucatan retrogrades or not, the area around the Yucatan Channel and the easter gulf will be more favorable in 24-48hours. If theupper level cut-off west of theYucatan does retrograde westward or southwest, then there will be a better development opportunity and the odds are no longer a one in four or a one in three bet.

As for the models,on my last quick look all of the with the exception of the Nogaps and the UKMET indicated some level of vorticity (Yes,at the 850mb level, I like that one too for potentially developing systems) The CMC was very fast in Forward Speed, the GFS was very slow, and the GFDL (TD 3-E Model Run) was almost looking too slow too. All models that demonstrate weak development show vorticities on the weaker end of the scale, so there is some promise of development on the tropical depression to weak tropical storm end if the models remain persistant. At high confidence, rain chances increase for the eastern Gulf interests on days 3-6. On the lower end of confidence, that rain may come with a couple gusts of wind and a name that will be remebered as another helper in the drought busting effort. If something does develop...At this time, something like Barry is as strong as I could imagine if something does develop, but time will tell if anything evolves at all.

Edited by dem05 (Thu Jun 14 2007 02:23 AM)

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* Barry Gone, Quiet Again MikeCAdministrator Thu Jun 14 2007 01:29 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts BillD   Fri Jun 15 2007 01:00 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts BillD   Fri Jun 15 2007 12:32 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts Hurricane29   Fri Jun 15 2007 12:22 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts audienceofone   Thu Jun 14 2007 09:20 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts cieldumort   Thu Jun 14 2007 08:24 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts CaneTrackerInSoFl   Thu Jun 14 2007 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts Hurricane29   Thu Jun 14 2007 03:33 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts scottsvb   Thu Jun 14 2007 03:14 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts allan   Thu Jun 14 2007 03:09 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts Ricreig   Thu Jun 14 2007 03:06 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts doug   Thu Jun 14 2007 03:03 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Discussion~excerpts nc_wx_watcher   Thu Jun 14 2007 01:10 PM
. * * Tropical Discussion~excerpts danielwAdministrator   Thu Jun 14 2007 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again dem05   Thu Jun 14 2007 01:29 AM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again nc_wx_watcher   Wed Jun 13 2007 09:29 PM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again cieldumort   Wed Jun 13 2007 08:35 AM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again typhoon_tip   Wed Jun 13 2007 05:14 AM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again madmumbler   Tue Jun 12 2007 09:36 PM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again Ed in Va   Tue Jun 12 2007 01:54 PM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again typhoon_tip   Tue Jun 12 2007 04:39 AM
. * * Re: geez cieldumort   Mon Jun 11 2007 06:45 PM
. * * Re: geez doug   Mon Jun 11 2007 02:38 PM
. * * Re: geez cchsweatherman   Mon Jun 11 2007 12:01 PM
. * * Re: geez Hugh   Sun Jun 10 2007 01:58 PM
. * * Re: geez nc_wx_watcher   Sun Jun 10 2007 12:27 PM
. * * Re: geez cieldumort   Sun Jun 10 2007 10:03 AM
. * * Re: geez cieldumort   Sun Jun 10 2007 02:40 AM
. * * geez HanKFranK   Sun Jun 10 2007 01:43 AM
. * * Re: Week Ahead HanKFranK   Sun Jun 10 2007 01:08 AM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again Cat 5orBust   Sun Jun 10 2007 01:03 AM
. * * Re: Week Ahead Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Jun 10 2007 12:48 AM
. * * Re: Week Ahead madmumbler   Sat Jun 09 2007 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Week Ahead cieldumort   Sat Jun 09 2007 10:08 PM
. * * Re: Week Ahead BillD   Sat Jun 09 2007 09:41 PM
. * * Re: Week Ahead madmumbler   Sat Jun 09 2007 08:35 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas madmumbler   Sat Jun 09 2007 01:03 PM
. * * Week Ahead danielwAdministrator   Sat Jun 09 2007 10:54 AM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas typhoon_tip   Sat Jun 09 2007 03:55 AM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas Steve   Sat Jun 09 2007 01:14 AM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas Steve   Fri Jun 08 2007 08:16 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas madmumbler   Fri Jun 08 2007 12:23 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas danielwAdministrator   Fri Jun 08 2007 03:25 AM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas West FL Jess   Fri Jun 08 2007 02:30 AM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas madmumbler   Fri Jun 08 2007 12:14 AM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas Storm Hunter   Thu Jun 07 2007 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas Storm Hunter   Thu Jun 07 2007 07:27 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas Hurricane29   Thu Jun 07 2007 07:23 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas MikeCAdministrator   Thu Jun 07 2007 06:30 PM
. * * Re: Possible Development near Bahamas Ron Basso   Thu Jun 07 2007 06:16 PM
. * * graveyard HanKFranK   Wed Jun 06 2007 10:58 PM
. * * Re: Barry Gone, Quiet Again Ed DunhamAdministrator   Wed Jun 06 2007 09:16 PM

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