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Re: 00Z Models
      Sat Aug 18 2007 03:53 AM

Re: other systems

There is an abundance of tropical cyclogenesis potential in the Atlantic, and a few model runs want to spin one or more of the most conducive areas up. Currently, the entire stretch from just east of Dean all the way back to the Cape Verde islands is a veritable breeding ground.

Getting back to Dean,

Dean has been flirting with a pinhole eye all evening/night. No signs of an ERC, as some have suggested. The appearance of one is merely the eye tightening up a bit.. normal fluctuations. However, given the occasional foray into a pinhole eye-like scene, it is worth nothing that the TCHP in the western Caribbean is running potentially even higher now than around this time in 2005. Dean may be able to pull off an all-out Wilma while in the western Caribbean. The current forecast out of NHC for a Cat 5 before crossing over the Yucatan, while not a certainty, more than likely did not cost them one single bead of worry sweat that they were stretching a bit. Six more mph and Dean's there.

With respect to the models which have consistently forced Dean's future track to the southernmost ends of the guidance envelope, all of these have initialized him poorly. While one doesn't want to completely throw them out, you just about can, again, because they are not tracking Dean. They have been tracking and creating forecasts based on a weak Cat 1 or Tropical Storm.. and some have even initialized Dean as a neutral core. Nuts. This is garbage in - garbage out forecasting. Stick with the GFDL , HWRF, and certainly NHC, for now.

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* Hurricane Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength MikeCAdministrator Sat Aug 18 2007 03:53 AM
. * * Dean and the Upper Level Pattern dem05   Sat Aug 18 2007 11:12 AM
. * * Re: Hail ChessieStorm   Sat Aug 18 2007 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Hail weather999   Sat Aug 18 2007 11:05 AM
. * * Re: Hail OUSHAWN   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:58 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength seabass   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:53 AM
. * * Re: Keeping Quiet NewWatcher   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:51 AM
. * * Keeping Quiet mikethewreck   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:48 AM
. * * Re: Hail scottsvb   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:43 AM
. * * Dean charlottefl   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:42 AM
. * * Re: Hail Hugh   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:36 AM
. * * Re: Hail Thunderbird12   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:35 AM
. * * Re: Hail MikeCAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Hail OUSHAWN   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:30 AM
. * * Re: Hail OUSHAWN   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:22 AM
. * * Re: Hail allan   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:20 AM
. * * Re: Hail jbmusic   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:18 AM
. * * Re: Hail OUSHAWN   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:14 AM
. * * dean and waves to follow HanKFranK   Sat Aug 18 2007 10:12 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models h2ocean   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:58 AM
. * * Re: Hail Thunderbird12   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:51 AM
. * * Weakening? danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:51 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models tekkrite   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:48 AM
. * * Re: Hail Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:47 AM
. * * Re: Hail Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:44 AM
. * * Re: Hail Hugh   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:42 AM
. * * Hail danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:31 AM
. * * Re: West Texas update Thunderbird12   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:29 AM
. * * Re: West Texas update flanewscameraman   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:19 AM
. * * Re: West Texas update charlottefl   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:18 AM
. * * Re: West Texas update MikeCAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:12 AM
. * * Re: West Texas update CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Aug 18 2007 09:06 AM
. * * Re: West Texas update craigm   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:58 AM
. * * West Texas update mp3reed   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:43 AM
. * * Re: Dean madmumbler   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:42 AM
. * * Re: Dean dem05   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:34 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models MikeCAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:32 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:22 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:21 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models VolusiaMike   Sat Aug 18 2007 08:14 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models Hurric   Sat Aug 18 2007 07:48 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models charlottefl   Sat Aug 18 2007 06:44 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models WeatherNLU   Sat Aug 18 2007 06:36 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models Frank P   Sat Aug 18 2007 06:29 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models WeatherNLU   Sat Aug 18 2007 06:21 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models Frank P   Sat Aug 18 2007 06:11 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models WeatherNLU   Sat Aug 18 2007 06:03 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models GuppieGrouper   Sat Aug 18 2007 05:30 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models Rich B   Sat Aug 18 2007 05:19 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models cieldumort   Sat Aug 18 2007 03:53 AM
. * * Re: 00Z Models Doombot!   Sat Aug 18 2007 03:38 AM
. * * 00Z Models Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Sat Aug 18 2007 03:26 AM
. * * Re: HDOBs and Vortex Messages Rabbit   Sat Aug 18 2007 03:04 AM
. * * GFDL PA101   Sat Aug 18 2007 02:37 AM
. * * HDOBs and Vortex Messages danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:28 AM
. * * Re: Dean Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:26 AM
. * * Re: Dean Storm Hunter   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:24 AM
. * * Re: Dean Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:21 AM
. * * Re: Dean wxman007   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:17 AM
. * * Re: Dean Storm Hunter   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:16 AM
. * * Re: Dean wxman007   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:13 AM
. * * Re: Dean Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:09 AM
. * * Re: Dean scottsvb   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:08 AM
. * * Re: Dean Storm Hunter   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:01 AM
. * * Re: Dean Just watching   Sat Aug 18 2007 01:00 AM
. * * Re: Dean StrmTrckrMiami   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Dean Just watching   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:55 AM
. * * Re: Dean wxman007   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:55 AM
. * * Re: Dean Random Chaos   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:49 AM
. * * Re: Dean StrmTrckrMiami   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:35 AM
. * * Re: Dean charlottefl   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:31 AM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Miss Christine   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Dean Beach   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:26 AM
. * * Re: Dean ltpat228   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:25 AM
. * * Re: Dean Allison   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:25 AM
. * * Dean danielwAdministrator   Sat Aug 18 2007 12:05 AM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength danielwAdministrator   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:59 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength StrmTrckrMiami   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:58 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Mike N   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength EMS   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:47 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength jbmusic   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:43 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:36 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Random Chaos   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:31 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Clark   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:29 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength GENIE   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:27 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength nc_tropical_wx79   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:12 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength weather999   Fri Aug 17 2007 11:07 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Storm Hunter   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:48 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength neospaceblue   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:46 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Clark   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:39 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Storm Hunter   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:36 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:34 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Random Chaos   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:33 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Storm Hunter   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:28 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Storm Hunter   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:12 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength wxman007   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:10 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 10:00 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Beach   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:57 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Random Chaos   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:55 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength MikeCAdministrator   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:54 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:49 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:47 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength weatherguy08   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Random Chaos   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:42 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength MikeCAdministrator   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:42 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:38 PM
. * * Herbert's Box ltpat228   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:37 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength dem05   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:32 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength DougBaker   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:21 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Lee-Delray   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:21 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Random Chaos   Fri Aug 17 2007 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength Hugh   Fri Aug 17 2007 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Dean Reaches Category 4 Strength allan   Fri Aug 17 2007 08:29 PM

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