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Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West
      Mon Aug 20 2007 01:19 AM

I fear that Hurricane Dean is gonna turn me into a Devils Advocate here...Those who know me, that is definately not my MO...but I still don't feel 100% on Dean and I have to let my conscience be my guide tonight.

As a man of my own convictions I never waffle…After saying that, I’m sorry to say I’m going to waffle. If I am wrong in the end, I eat my crow medium rare (Trying to lighten the mood here) and I owe apologies to all for being wrong and going against the grain.

The ULL has been a player in my discussion for days now. After many days, I gave up the grey ghost to the models this morning…They all seemed to be getting along very well, but through the day and tonight…The Bam split, the GFDL and HWRF differed, and the GFS and GFS ensemble have done their thing here or there. The gap has widened and I must balk. Tonight, I must digress, but my ULL discussion is still definitely different that it was on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Best to just bullet point this stuff.

-This morning, the ridge was better defined in the Atlantic, with and axis spreading roughly off the South Carolina Coast on Vapor.
-Also this morning, the ULL in the Gulf was around 88W moving west, but it had intensified during the night and also gained better representation.
-In addition, the flow over the Bahamas and Florida between the ULL and the High could be defined as out of the ESE or the SE this morning...since that time, it has veered into a flow from the SE to a hard SSE wind on Water Vapor.
-Initially, my primary basis for Gulf ULL low concerns stemmed from a stall of that ULL. It did not happen. The low moved from88W this morning and reached 92-93W as a better defended system today. Since then, it has not done something not as bad as stalling out, but it has done something else that I see as not good as moving on…It has turned north. All the models…even the latest runs, were based on this ULL moving into southern-middle TX, then getting snagged north into the jet stream. At this time I’ve only got one thing to say…Not gonna happen that way…And that may impart on the mid level ridge the NHC discussed at 11PM…Considering the ULL is also a Mid-level low now
-Mean time, prior to the northern shift of the ULL, Dean moved 3 degrees west in tandem with the ULL that moved 3 degrees west. The storm did not catch up to the ULL as some have speculated.
-Dean is now as close as it ever was to the ULL, maybe and probably closer than it ever was to the SE flow. And more so, the high off the Carolinas did not take full advantage of spreading west in place of the ULL. If it did, the ESE to SE flow over Florida would have shifted west. Instead, the wind flow sharpened, and veered to out of the SE or SSE. This tells me the ULL-Mid level Low over the Gulf expanded and the ridge did not take full advantage of opportunities to fill the gap. The 399mb (HDW-High) and 699mb (HDW-mid) show wind barbs heading from the southeast and SSE on the latest imagery once again tonight over Florida.
-Finally, here in SW Florida, my porch faces east, I actually watched the clouds move NW by NNW tonight as they grew from cloud base…I figured I would be seeing them move a bit more westerly based on the forecast of increasing mid to upper level ridging,
-There are other factors I see tonight, but I can’t bullet forever. Please review the WV links, formulate your own educated opinions…And don’t be amazed if there is at least alight course change by morning. In particular, ALL models had the Gulf ULL moving into Texas and Mexico…All models built more ridging on the east side of the ULL by now too. We are not seeing that now, and this is the first bugaboo hint that there may be a surprise course correction on the horizon. Even if the change is only subtle.

From this mornings post and in the end, the 1% for eastern Gulf is still there (almost feels like 10% now, but I won’t go there.). The 5% for the central Gulf is still there (Similarly, I feel it’s more like 15% now, but it’s just not a good to go there either), and I’d keep the western gulf at 25%.

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* Dean Headed to Yucatan, Watching System East of Bahamas MikeCAdministrator Mon Aug 20 2007 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Dean Random Chaos   Tue Aug 21 2007 07:01 AM
. * * Re: Dean Lee-Delray   Tue Aug 21 2007 05:24 AM
. * * Re: Dean WeatherNLU   Tue Aug 21 2007 05:24 AM
. * * Re: Dean Valandil   Tue Aug 21 2007 05:16 AM
. * * Re: oh man... neospaceblue   Tue Aug 21 2007 02:36 AM
. * * Re: oh man... dem05   Tue Aug 21 2007 02:18 AM
. * * Re: Recon Clark   Tue Aug 21 2007 02:08 AM
. * * oh man... Doombot!   Tue Aug 21 2007 02:05 AM
. * * Re: Dean dem05   Tue Aug 21 2007 01:50 AM
. * * Re: Dean Headed to Yucatan, Watching System East of Bahamas cieldumort   Tue Aug 21 2007 01:05 AM
. * * Re: Dean StrmTrckrMiami   Tue Aug 21 2007 01:04 AM
. * * Re: Dean Random Chaos   Tue Aug 21 2007 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Dean Jorge Nakazawa   Tue Aug 21 2007 12:13 AM
. * * Re: Recon Random Chaos   Tue Aug 21 2007 12:11 AM
. * * Recon danielwAdministrator   Tue Aug 21 2007 12:06 AM
. * * Re: Dean Hugh   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:51 PM
. * * Dean danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:46 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex dem05   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:41 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:39 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? Hugh   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:38 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? Jorge Nakazawa   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:37 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:29 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? Hugh   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:28 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? Thunderbird12   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:12 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? Jorge Nakazawa   Mon Aug 20 2007 10:22 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 10:21 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? ChessieStorm   Mon Aug 20 2007 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Dean Headed to Yucatan, Watching System East of Bahamas txcntrygrl   Mon Aug 20 2007 10:21 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? nc_tropical_wx79   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:56 PM
. * * Re: where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:44 PM
. * * Dean Statistics neospaceblue   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:44 PM
. * * where are the Yucatan radio/TV/media links? vineyardsaker   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:34 PM
. * * Re: Dean's numbers lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:25 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex weather999   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:24 PM
. * * Dean's numbers WXMAN RICHIE   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:10 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:08 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:59 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex anomaly18   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Psyber   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:50 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Storm Cooper   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:40 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:36 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:28 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Hugh   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:25 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Hugh   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:09 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 07:56 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Hugh   Mon Aug 20 2007 07:02 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex charlottefl   Mon Aug 20 2007 06:15 PM
. * * Re: New System 92L CDMOrlando   Mon Aug 20 2007 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex DougBaker   Mon Aug 20 2007 05:57 PM
. * * Re: Dean vortex Psyber   Mon Aug 20 2007 04:33 PM
. * * Dean vortex neospaceblue   Mon Aug 20 2007 04:15 PM
. * * Re: New System Old Sailor   Mon Aug 20 2007 04:10 PM
. * * Re: New System craigm   Mon Aug 20 2007 03:48 PM
. * * Re: New System danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 03:38 PM
. * * Re: New System Clark   Mon Aug 20 2007 03:29 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 03:25 PM
. * * Re: New System danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 03:24 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West scottsvb   Mon Aug 20 2007 02:31 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West LisaC   Mon Aug 20 2007 02:04 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Psyber   Mon Aug 20 2007 01:51 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Lee-Delray   Mon Aug 20 2007 01:40 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West LoisCane   Mon Aug 20 2007 12:14 PM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Jorge Nakazawa   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:41 AM
. * * New System danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:36 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Psyber   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:26 AM
. * * Recon danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:21 AM
. * * Re: Dean Headed to Yucatan, Watching System East of Bahamas Scott3294   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:17 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West weather999   Mon Aug 20 2007 11:07 AM
. * * Re: Dean Headed to Yucatan, Watching System East of Bahamas MikeCAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 10:48 AM
. * * Re: Dean Headed to Yucatan, Watching System East of Bahamas lawgator   Mon Aug 20 2007 10:05 AM
. * * Re: Gulf ULL Psyber   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:34 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West MikeCAdministrator   Mon Aug 20 2007 09:10 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West madmumbler   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:53 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West flanewscameraman   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:28 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:16 AM
. * * Gulf ULL lunkerhunter   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:08 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West flanewscameraman   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:08 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West OUSHAWN   Mon Aug 20 2007 08:08 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 07:55 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West cieldumort   Mon Aug 20 2007 02:56 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West dem05   Mon Aug 20 2007 02:25 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West OUSHAWN   Mon Aug 20 2007 02:00 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West oil tracker   Mon Aug 20 2007 01:52 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West cieldumort   Mon Aug 20 2007 01:45 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West BTfromAZ   Mon Aug 20 2007 01:21 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West dem05   Mon Aug 20 2007 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Dean Past Jamaica, Still Moving West Random Chaos   Mon Aug 20 2007 12:21 AM

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