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Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas
      Sat Sep 08 2007 02:56 PM

Looks like there have been some good questions posted on this thread that arguably relate to the topic of Gabrielle.

A lot of confusion exists, even among mets, as to the nature of sub-tropical cyclones, and debate has existed to greater or lesser degrees for decades as to whether or not to include them in the historical count, and later, whether to go ahead and draw down names from the seasonal list and apply such a formal tracking status to them.

To cover three queries - with brief answers, in the interest of my own time, and in not cluttering up the main thread:

--The cyclonic cloud motion some are talking about that is "seemingly breaking off from" Gabrielle and heading SW on route to Florida is the upper level low (TUTT low) mentioned in previous threads, and in Typhoon Tip's earlier Invest 99 thread (See main page).

--Many subtropical cyclones do go on to become fully tropical.. and go on to become hurricanes. Rarely, if ever, does a subtropical storm strengthen to even minimal hurricane-force sustained winds without having transitioned into a more purely or purely tropical cyclone. Hence, you are unlikely to ever see an official "Subtropical Hurricane (Name here)".

Subtropical cyclones do form in many basins, and at many latitudes, but as the moniker explicitly suggests, they most often form in the .. subtropics.

--Please note that Subtropical Storm Gabrielle is a Subtropical Cyclone and not an extra-tropical gale. There are very valid, technical reasons for this, and the highly-educated and skilled experts at NHC have not just somehow arbitrarily decided to draw down a name for the sake of whatever, and applied it to this system.

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* Tropical Storm Gabrielle heads for North Carolina MikeCAdministrator Sat Sep 08 2007 02:56 PM
. * * Other Systems danielwAdministrator   Sun Sep 09 2007 12:39 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas craigm   Sun Sep 09 2007 09:56 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas syfr   Sun Sep 09 2007 07:11 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Storm Hunter   Sun Sep 09 2007 03:21 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Clark   Sun Sep 09 2007 02:56 AM
. * * Re: 90L Storm Hunter   Sun Sep 09 2007 02:51 AM
. * * 90L ltpat228   Sun Sep 09 2007 02:16 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Random Chaos   Sun Sep 09 2007 02:04 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Storm Hunter   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:59 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Beach   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:56 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas flahurricane   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:47 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas ltpat228   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:36 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas LoisCane   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:33 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Storm Hunter   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:33 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Random Chaos   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:26 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas nc_tropical_wx79   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:23 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Random Chaos   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:19 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Storm Hunter   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:17 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas nc_tropical_wx79   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:14 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas flahurricane   Sun Sep 09 2007 01:09 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Beach   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:30 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas ltpat228   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:29 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas nc_tropical_wx79   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:25 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Beach   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:21 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Lamar-Plant City   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:15 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas nc_tropical_wx79   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:13 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas nc_tropical_wx79   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:07 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas StrmTrckrMiami   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:07 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Hugh   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas CaneTrackerInSoFl   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:53 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas nc_tropical_wx79   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:43 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Seaworthy991   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:33 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Beach   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:24 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas allan   Sat Sep 08 2007 07:38 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas JY381   Sat Sep 08 2007 06:56 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas madmumbler   Sat Sep 08 2007 05:41 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas cieldumort   Sat Sep 08 2007 02:56 PM
. * * Re: take, etc. weather_wise911   Sat Sep 08 2007 02:52 PM
. * * Re: take, etc. Wxwatcher2   Sat Sep 08 2007 02:13 PM
. * * Re: take, etc. weather999   Sat Sep 08 2007 01:49 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas scottsvb   Sat Sep 08 2007 12:26 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas Lamar-Plant City   Sat Sep 08 2007 11:53 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas MM   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:56 AM
. * * Re: take, etc. Ed in Va   Sat Sep 08 2007 10:16 AM
. * * Re: take, etc. dem05   Sat Sep 08 2007 06:34 AM
. * * Re: take, etc. flahurricane   Sat Sep 08 2007 02:42 AM
. * * Re: take, etc. scottsvb   Sat Sep 08 2007 02:10 AM
. * * take, etc. HanKFranK   Sat Sep 08 2007 01:14 AM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas punkyg   Fri Sep 07 2007 11:00 PM
. * * Re: Subtropical Storm Gabrielle Forms Southeast of the Carolinas typhoon_tip   Fri Sep 07 2007 10:57 PM

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