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Re: alma starts a fight
      Sat May 31 2008 05:19 PM

EDIT: This was not officially Arthur as I was typing. Reference 90L as Arthur now in the text below.

I see the great debate of is or isn't 90L the spawn of Alma. This is a somewhat classic debate that has occurred in the past. However, with Alma, there is a twist.

I bring to light the following storms of the recent past: Hurricane Mitch of 1998 and Hurricane Ivan of 2004. In the case of Mitch, the mid level center that was directly affiliated with the core of the hurricane worked it's way into the Bay of Campechee. That mid level center was able to work it's way back to the surface and re-develop into a tropical storm. After much debate, the system retained it's name. As for Ivan in 2004, the same evolution occurred. The mid level circulation directly affiliated with the core of the system re-emerged over water. After a long loop southward, the system worked it's way back to the surface and re-formed several days later. This system required even further examination and debate, but after clear evidence was provided, the decision was made that the new storm was Ivan.

In this case, we have two items to discuss.
1.) I think everyone is on board with this one, but if 90L was to develop and it indeed had been the remnants of Alma, it's name would be re-assigned to an Atlantic name.
2.) Alma is the daughter of a monsoon trough and likewise, 90L is the son of the same monsoon trough. However, 90L is certainly not the child of Alma. There are some very good reason to say that 90L is not the remenants of Alma in any way shape or form. Alma was a small cyclone embedded within the broader monsoon trough. While it is true that Alma pumped up some heat and moisture in the Caribbean, the circulation of Alma never made it to the Gulf of Hondoras. In fact, the stage was already being set for 90L to evlove within the broader trough while Alma was just starting to spin down over Central America. By mid day yesterday, it was clear to see that new vorticity was evolving within the moonsoon trough over the Western Caribbean. At the same time, the remenant low of Alma was still deciernable over western Hondoras. As time went by, that remenant low was absorbed into the broader monsoon rotation evolving over the western Caribbean. In some, there was no remenant (low level or mid level) of Alma to make it over water and 90L is of it's own independant development within the broader monsoon trough. If anything, 90L ate the remenants of Alma for lunch mid day yesterday.

I hope this expalains the evloution a bit. In the mean time, I am digging to see if there is an archived satellite loop that depicts how this dance occurred. Will be back with it if I find it.

Edited by dem05 (Sat May 31 2008 05:21 PM)

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* East Pacific Alma Over Land MikeCAdministrator Sat May 31 2008 05:19 PM
. * * Administrative Note Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sat May 31 2008 08:41 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Storm Hunter   Sat May 31 2008 08:36 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight DarleneCane   Sat May 31 2008 08:13 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight dem05   Sat May 31 2008 07:59 PM
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. * * Re: alma starts a fight pschex   Sat May 31 2008 07:08 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 07:03 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Storm Hunter   Sat May 31 2008 06:59 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight dem05   Sat May 31 2008 06:36 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Storm Hunter   Sat May 31 2008 06:29 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 06:19 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight cieldumort   Sat May 31 2008 06:13 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight HanKFranK   Sat May 31 2008 06:10 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight dem05   Sat May 31 2008 06:00 PM
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. * * Re: alma starts a fight Rich B   Sat May 31 2008 05:37 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 05:29 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Old Sailor   Sat May 31 2008 05:25 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight dem05   Sat May 31 2008 05:19 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 05:08 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight MichaelA   Sat May 31 2008 05:06 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Ricreig   Sat May 31 2008 05:03 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight MichaelA   Sat May 31 2008 04:54 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 04:43 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight scottsvb   Sat May 31 2008 04:40 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 04:23 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight weathernet   Sat May 31 2008 04:01 PM
. * * Re: East Pacific Alma Over Land allan   Sat May 31 2008 03:49 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight scottsvb   Sat May 31 2008 03:13 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight MichaelA   Sat May 31 2008 03:05 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight doug   Sat May 31 2008 02:15 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight DarleneCane   Sat May 31 2008 01:33 PM
. * * Re: alma starts a fight Hugh   Sat May 31 2008 01:23 PM
. * * alma starts a fight HanKFranK   Sat May 31 2008 10:48 AM
. * * Re: Invest 90L Intensifying Rich B   Sat May 31 2008 09:55 AM
. * * Invest 90L Intensifying cieldumort   Sat May 31 2008 04:45 AM
. * * Re: We now have 90L weatherguy08   Sat May 31 2008 02:43 AM
. * * Re: We now have 90L Old Sailor   Sat May 31 2008 01:26 AM
. * * Re: We now have 90L MichaelA   Fri May 30 2008 11:03 PM
. * * We now have 90L Bloodstar   Fri May 30 2008 10:48 PM
. * * Re: dropped? MichaelA   Fri May 30 2008 10:34 PM
. * * dropped? HanKFranK   Fri May 30 2008 10:09 PM
. * * Re: East Pacific Alma Over Land cieldumort   Fri May 30 2008 09:43 PM
. * * Re: alma inland MichaelA   Fri May 30 2008 05:08 PM
. * * Re: alma inland Storm Hunter   Fri May 30 2008 03:21 PM
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. * * Re: East Pacific Alma Likely to Become Hurricane Maitland, FL   Fri May 30 2008 11:19 AM
. * * Re: alma inland dem05   Fri May 30 2008 06:29 AM
. * * Re: alma inland Storm Hunter   Fri May 30 2008 05:42 AM
. * * Re: alma inland dem05   Fri May 30 2008 01:36 AM
. * * alma inland HanKFranK   Thu May 29 2008 10:18 PM
. * * Re: East Pacific Alma Likely to Become Hurricane allan   Thu May 29 2008 08:57 PM
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. * * Re: East Pacific Alma Likely to Become Hurricane Storm Hunter   Thu May 29 2008 06:56 PM
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