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With today's 5PM NHC #HurricaneBeryl update, the U.S. is now officially in the cone for the first time. Jamaica to Mexico to Texas.
Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 308 (Idalia) , Major: 308 (Idalia) Florida - Any: 308 (Idalia) Major: 308 (Idalia)
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Wind: 140MPH
Pres: 959mb
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Wnw at 18 mph
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Re: Hurricane Bertha Weakening Now Moving Northwest
      Wed Jul 09 2008 12:21 PM

The 11am advisory still has a 300degree motion associated with Bertha.

It appears irregular convective prominences are causing "wobbling" of the track. These wobbles can often take as much as 3 or 4 hours to unfold. It is perhaps too easy in those intervals of time to believe something unexpected is taking place. But, I am not seeing a big enough deviation between her apparent axis of circulation to that of the clear NW track motion provided by the TPC - they seem to be aligning just fine. Moreover, there isn't really much compelling synoptic reason that asserts Bertha should be resuming a west motion, for the time being. Steering field remains weak, but with a trough "denting" the Bermuda ridge as it presses off-shore the NE U.S. over the next day and half, if anything this offers at least a small argument for continue northwest or perhaps even eventually a north motion...albeit slowly. Speed of motion does not appear to have any means to really accelerate until perhaps very late in the 5-day forecast period.

What I am seeing in recent guidance is a clear emerged consensus that the next trough (4+days) will be a bit more substantial. The Euro model, for example, uses that trough to pick up Bertha and deliver her to the graveyard. Other models including the UKMET (also, 00z run), run Bertha up the eastern flanks of the baroclinic wall associated with the same trough. The Canadian model is the slowest with this overall evolution but still argues for the same sort of thing...stronger trough nearing D5 sets up a baroclinic axis off-shore and this veers the steering field more discernibly toward the graveyard and an alas re-curve scenario finally takes place there after.

It is possible that after this first trough (D1-D3) leaves the NW Atlantic, the ridge may respond a bit more robustly than currently modeled. If that were the case, than said deeper trough D4-6 may find an axis more west of currently depicted. That offers some envelope of discussion for gaining more longitude - perhaps - than currently suggested. There has been a seasonal bias in the models to try and dampen the west-central Atlantic ridge too much. Just something to keep and eye out for, as this would offer a greater degree of threat to Bermuda.

By and large, the greater synoptic challenge to preventing Bertha from re-curving has been answered for in my mind. Over the next week and beyond, it seems troughs passing from the GL-NE U.S. at higher/middle latitudes will pretty much seal a fate that will ultimately force Bertha seaward. Simply a matter of when. It is probably...actually...that what we are seeing is a step-wise escape to higher latitudes. First a weakness in the ridge instantiated a NW motion over the last day.5; that weakness fills and Bertha slows down and wobbles; then another weakness associated with a trough passing NW of Bermuda over the next two days may focus more NW motion; she slows again as said trough leaves the area; then we await a deeper trough expression in the extended to put the final hammer head down of that coffin nail. This seems the most likely pattern of behavior for Bertha's future to me.

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* A few changes with Bertha John C Wed Jul 09 2008 12:21 PM
. * * Re: A few changes with Bertha Hugh   Fri Jul 11 2008 10:11 PM
. * * Re: A few changes with Bertha typhoon_tip   Fri Jul 11 2008 09:27 PM
. * * Re: A few changes with Bertha ~Floydbuster   Fri Jul 11 2008 07:27 PM
. * * Re:new way to look Gigsley   Fri Jul 11 2008 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Question LoisCane   Fri Jul 11 2008 03:22 PM
. * * Re: Question Storm Hunter   Fri Jul 11 2008 11:54 AM
. * * Question Beach   Thu Jul 10 2008 08:24 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest LoisCane   Thu Jul 10 2008 08:09 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest Treymont   Thu Jul 10 2008 03:05 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest Treymont   Thu Jul 10 2008 02:53 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest typhoon_tip   Thu Jul 10 2008 01:58 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest Ed in Va   Thu Jul 10 2008 01:38 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest typhoon_tip   Thu Jul 10 2008 12:36 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest Treymont   Thu Jul 10 2008 11:41 AM
. * * Models danielwAdministrator   Thu Jul 10 2008 11:35 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest Storm Cooper   Thu Jul 10 2008 05:23 AM
. * * Bertha back to a Category Two neospaceblue   Wed Jul 09 2008 04:37 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest JoshuaK   Wed Jul 09 2008 04:16 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest Rich B   Wed Jul 09 2008 03:27 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha regaining some strength. Still Moving Northwest cieldumort   Wed Jul 09 2008 03:26 PM
. * * Discussion Heads Up danielwAdministrator   Wed Jul 09 2008 01:15 PM
. * * Definite strengthening signaled by satellite... typhoon_tip   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:51 PM
. * * Bertha Influences?? danielwAdministrator   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:51 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Weakening Now Moving Northwest Rich B   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:39 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Weakening Now Moving Northwest typhoon_tip   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:21 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving WNW ftlaudbob   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:08 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving WNW SATBEACH   Wed Jul 09 2008 11:40 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest cieldumort   Wed Jul 09 2008 05:11 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest WhitherWeather   Wed Jul 09 2008 01:59 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Ed DunhamAdministrator   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:58 AM
. * * Bertha Weakening. Robert   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:47 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest typhoon_tip   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:28 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest LDH892   Wed Jul 09 2008 12:16 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest LoisCane   Tue Jul 08 2008 11:53 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest typhoon_tip   Tue Jul 08 2008 11:24 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Hugh   Tue Jul 08 2008 10:14 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Ed DunhamAdministrator   Tue Jul 08 2008 10:07 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Hugh   Tue Jul 08 2008 09:14 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest M.A.   Tue Jul 08 2008 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest LoisCane   Tue Jul 08 2008 08:02 AM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest danielwAdministrator   Mon Jul 07 2008 10:38 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest LoisCane   Mon Jul 07 2008 10:36 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Hugh   Mon Jul 07 2008 10:12 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest cieldumort   Mon Jul 07 2008 10:02 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Robert   Mon Jul 07 2008 09:24 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Hugh   Mon Jul 07 2008 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Major Hurricane Bertha Now Moving Northwest Ed DunhamAdministrator   Mon Jul 07 2008 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch Hugh   Mon Jul 07 2008 08:12 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch LoisCane   Mon Jul 07 2008 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch M.A.   Mon Jul 07 2008 07:54 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch Hugh   Mon Jul 07 2008 06:48 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch cieldumort   Mon Jul 07 2008 04:30 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch typhoon_tip   Mon Jul 07 2008 03:59 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch Rich B   Mon Jul 07 2008 03:36 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch ftlaudbob   Mon Jul 07 2008 03:24 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch Rich B   Mon Jul 07 2008 02:45 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch allan   Mon Jul 07 2008 01:56 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch scottsvb   Mon Jul 07 2008 01:41 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha typhoon_tip   Mon Jul 07 2008 01:05 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Forms in Atlantic, Bermuda needs to Watch allan   Mon Jul 07 2008 12:41 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha chase 22   Mon Jul 07 2008 12:23 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha MikeCAdministrator   Mon Jul 07 2008 11:33 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha Fr33z3y   Mon Jul 07 2008 10:58 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha scottsvb   Mon Jul 07 2008 10:29 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha MikeCAdministrator   Mon Jul 07 2008 09:31 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha craigm   Mon Jul 07 2008 07:43 AM
. * * Re: Hurricane Bertha cieldumort   Mon Jul 07 2008 07:41 AM

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